Racism and privilege

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In regards to this one, are you serious? You have accused everyone on here as being incapable of looking past their own racial biases and personal experiences.

I didn't address this point well, so I'll be more clear about it: you can't address personal biases when you refuse to acknowledge they exist. As I have mentioned, I know I have biases, and I actively work against them.

Yes, there are studies that show people who deny they have biased behave in a more biased fashion than people who acknowledge they have biases.

 

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You have also spoken at length about white privelage and how they cannot understand it from a non white perspective.

Does my being white, or black, or Asian, or whatever change the truth of that statement?

Again, if you can tell me why it matters, I'll answer it.

 

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Does my being white, or black, or Asian, or whatever change the truth of that statement?

Again, if you can tell me why it matters, I'll answer it.

See post #440 above please.

 

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how about that statement? My race seems to matter.

If I'm white, I have definitely experienced the privilege that white people receive, and do not have access to the same background informing King's statements that black people do. If I'm not white, I have definitely not experienced the privilege that white people receive, and have access to some of the same background informing King's statements that black people do.

Either way, how does my race affect the truth of that statement?

 

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What about being white or black would change my cognitive biases? Are you under the impression that black people don't share in the same racist biases that white people share in?

Speaking of dodging questions, no one seems to have touched this one.

Does anyone think black teachers treat black students better than white students? That black police officers are more lenient with black suspects than white suspects?

Does what I say about gender unfairness change because I acknowledge I am male?

 

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Speaking of dodging questions, no one seems to have touched this one.

Yes we have. 2-3 times in fact.

Using your own logic. If a white person cannot understand certain points of views of a minority then a minority cannot understand those same points of view for a white person. We wish to know what race you are a part of so we can know if you know anything about a minority or white point of view on the subject. Extremely relevent.

 

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If I'm white, I have definitely experienced the privilege that white people receive, and do not have access to the same background informing King's statements that black people do. If I'm not white, I have definitely not experienced the privilege that white people receive, and have access to some of the same background informing King's statements that black people do.

Either way, how does my race affect the truth of that statement?

Wait I brought up king.

You said I wasn't black enough to do so.(see above)

I call you on it.

Race doesn't matter?

ps I agree much more with your recent sentiment than the one you have displayed through most of this thread.

 

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One Brow is obviously white, you plebs. Him refusing to admit it just makes this even more entertaining.

*grabs popcorn*

 

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Speaking of dodging questions, no one seems to have touched this one.

Does anyone think black teachers treat black students better than white students? That black police officers are more lenient with black suspects than white suspects?

Does what I say about gender unfairness change because I acknowledge I am male?

Oh Eric

 

[fishonjazz]

This holiday season one of the things I'm most grateful for is that I have never engaged in a coversation with one brow

 

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This holiday season one of the things I'm most grateful for is that I have never engaged in a coversation with one brow

No better time than the holidays to celebrate ignorance. I mean, he could teach you a thing or two, so stay away. Feliz.

 

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Yes we have. 2-3 times in fact.

Can you link to that, or just repeat the answer, please? Your paragraph below does not answer it, it addresses a different issue.

Using your own logic. If a white person cannot understand certain points of views of a minority then a minority cannot understand those same points of view for a white person.

Again, this answer creates a false equivalency, by ignoring the saturation of media with the oints of view of white people. While no person can perfectloy understand the viewpoint of any other person, there is a big difference of degree.

We wish to know what race you are a part of so we can know if you know anything about a minority or white point of view on the subject. Extremely relevent.

Which of my positions becomes more or less true if I have a white point of view, or a black point of view? Do cognitive biases cease to function if I am white or black?

 

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OB answer my question.

Why is my race relevant but yours is not?

 

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Wait I brought up king.

Yes, you brought up King to tell me why he was great, and that I chould change my message to be more like King's. My response was that you didn't have the background to understand what King was saying.

You said I wasn't black enough to do so.(see above)

I call you on it.

Call me on what, precisely?

My recommendation is that when you bring King up, you need to keep in mind that you have a much smaller share in the experiences that informed King than many others have, and so your understanding of King is lacking in that regard.

What part of that statement becomes more or less correct depending upon my race?

ps I agree much more with your recent sentiment than the one you have displayed through most of this thread.

P.S., I haven't changed my sentiments. If you agree with the recent ones, you agree with the previous ones. At most, I've changed the examples. and continued the conversation.

 

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One Brow is obviously white, you plebs. Him refusing to admit it just makes this even more entertaining.

*grabs popcorn*

Send me a PM or an email telling me how you came to that conclusion. If I'm white, I'd like to improve the confusion. If not, I'd like to know why you think I am.

 

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OB answer my question.

Why is my race relevant but yours is not?

Relevant for what? I haven't told you to imitate/ignore the words of King, X, or Strom Thurmond. I haven't offered an opinion on what they should mean. I'm not old enough to remeber having sat at a segregated lunch counter or having used a segregated restroom, and so I leave interpreting King (to other people) for the people who have those experiences.

I've been talking about cognitive biases and the way humans process data. How does my race play into that?

 

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Yes, you brought up King to tell me why he was great, and that I chould change my message to be more like King's. My response was that you didn't have the background to understand what King was saying.

Right because I'm white.

Call me on what, precisely?

You said I wasn't black enough to do so.(see above) You knew that though.

What part of that statement becomes more or less correct depending upon my race?

You know very well that you're statement is you making my race an issue. Ergo your race becomes an issue.

P.S., I haven't changed my sentiments. If you agree with the recent ones, you agree with the previous ones. At most, I've changed the examples. and continued the conversation.

Yes you have. The second your race comes into question it becomes irrelevant. While I don't agree with your tactic I do agree that it isn't generally relevant, however you made it so by making the race of others a talking point.

 

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So i said the same thing 4 times in that one post.

No need to dodge any longer.

Either you are wrong now and an individuals race is relevant or you were wrong before and it isn't.

 

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So i said the same thing 4 times in that one post.

No need to dodge any longer.

Either you are wrong now and an individuals race is relevant or you were wrong before and it isn't.

Because it can't possibly be relevant in some situations, but not others?

If I were trying to tell you what King, or X, or Thurmond meant, my race would matter, because it might hinder my ability to understand them (along with so many other circumstances that limit this ability). You'll never see me telling you what Gloria Steinem meant by her words, for example.

Now, which of my assertions fall into this category? If you can find one, then I'll tell you my race.

 

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Because it can't possibly be relevant in some situations, but not others?

If I were trying to tell you what King, or X, or Thurmond meant, my race would matter, because it might hinder my ability to understand them (along with so many other circumstances that limit this ability). You'll never see me telling you what Gloria Steinem meant by her words, for example.

Now, which of my assertions fall into this category? If you can find one, then I'll tell you my race.

Honestly, I don't give a **** what your race is.

You went beyond saying that my race was relevant there. You said that my thoughts on the matter were irrelevant only because of my race. You did not challenge the content of my argument your only qualifier was the color of my skin.

I really wouldn't change my opinion of your posts based on your race(whatever exactly it may be). I do find it troublesome however that you so quickly judge me in that regard.

Good day to you