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Raja Bell: "We consistently do dumb ****"

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From Brian T. Smith Twitter: Raja Bell to Earl Watson: "We consistently do dumb ****."

Bell added: "We can't even help it."

Bell now talking to Harpring: " ... set [freaking] screens."

Bell obviously wants to win and play the right way. Never, ever sets well with him when Jazz fail to execute. Coach-like mentality.

Raja Bell after Durant gets fouled and drives unimpeded: "****!" Then slams scorer's table as hard as possible with hand.

Jefferson just watched Durant blow by and basically stepped aside for him before dunk.

Jefferson just hasn't brought it last two games.

Much respect for what Kanter, Favors continue to bring every second they're on the floor. Great sign for their future.

.. Several Jazz players, including Bell, Miles and Millsap, said Utah doesn't have an identity and nothing is working. Millsap was very direct. Said it hasn't felt good on the court for a while and Jazz don't know what they're doing. To fix problem, he said, Utah first has to figure out what it problem is. Right now, team doesn't know and there's been no explanation.


My notes: When I am defending Raja Bell and calling him the best player the Jazz have right now, you know ****'s ****ed up. Raja's right that this is not a smart team. Watching CJ Miles constantly commit the dumbest fouls or Josh Howard try to dribble in or out of traffic drives me nuts. Watching Gordon Hayward continually jump and not know what he is going to do with the ball is maddening. Devin Harris is just awful in every facet of the game

And then there are the two almost All-Star bigs. I watch Al Jefferson and can completely understand why he has never been on a winning team: when a game winning play needs to be made, he's not going to do it, whether it be boxing out for a rebound, playing good defense, or taking a good shot. The guy is just not a winner. As for Paul Millsap, his play the past week or so reminds me a lot of how Memo used to shrink right after he was snubbed for an All-Star position. Paul, you didn't make it, get over it and take it out on the league instead of sulking and sucking.

This is all bad enough, but then I watch Ty Corbin, who I have a lot of hope for, continue to play the players who are making these stupid mistakes instead of the youngsters who need floor time is the most exasperating thing for me. When the starters dug a hole that the bench lifts you from in Indiana, don't bring back the starters. When Jefferson and Millsap just aren't doing it, leave Favors and Kanter on the floor. Let them play. When CJ is chucking and Howard is fumbling the dribble, put Burks in the game.

Stop consistently doing dumb ****.
 
I think we'd quickly find out how much "smarter" we'd play if coach Ty held folks accountable. Jefferson doesn't want to play defense anymore? Bye bye, favors in.

Howard doesn't want to pass? Bye bye, in put *gasp* even CJ, Evans, Burks, Hayward, dude we just signed.

harris sucks? Body language horrible? Bench him. Put in Tinsley.

We're one of the few teams that has some decent backups. Or maybe our starters suck so bad that they play like bench players? Either way, the gap between our starting lineup and second unit is basically non-existent. If the starters want to be idiots, then bench them. Our bench players will probably play better than the benched starter anyway.
 
NAOS said:
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Thanks for the rep and I did forget to add Evans. ****, let Tinsley have some run. His game against Golden State was better than anything that Devin Harris has done this year. And his reward: Sit at the end of the bench.

I wonder if Ty were to get the annual one year extension that Sloan always got if he would step up and hold the players accountable? I went into this season with no expectations, bought into the team, and now wonder why I am frustrated. It's because the mistakes are being repeated and the bad play is by the veterans instead of the youngsters, who should be getting on-the-job crunchtime training.
 
Mods, please close this thread, delete all comments, and sticky the OP for the rest of the season.

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YB85 said:
Thanks for the rep and I did forget to add Evans. ****, let Tinsley have some run. His game against Golden State was better than anything that Devin Harris has done this year. And his reward: Sit at the end of the bench.

I wonder if Ty were to get the annual one year extension that Sloan always got if he would step up and hold the players accountable? I went into this season with no expectations, bought into the team, and now wonder why I am frustrated. It's because the mistakes are being repeated and the bad play is by the veterans instead of the youngsters, who should be getting on-the-job crunchtime training.
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I too had high hopes that Corbin would let Tinsley steal some of Devin's playing time after his play in the Golden State game. But, apparently Corbin just doesn't think the team can survive without Devin's 9points/4assists a game.
 
YB85 said:
I went into this season with no expectations, bought into the team, and now wonder why I am frustrated. It's because the mistakes are being repeated and the bad play is by the veterans instead of the youngsters, who should be getting on-the-job crunchtime training.
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This is my story as well. It is frustrating to see how good these guys can be one night and the next night they go lose to a crappy team (I'm sure I can think of an example if I put my mind to it).
 
Love how the starters dug a hole, in comes the bench, out plays the starters then the second half comes up and Corbin keeps those same starters in there to yet dig us another whole. He needs to send a message to these guys. If they aren't going to play ball, your *** gets benched.
 
kwb said:
Love how the starters dug a hole, in comes the bench, out plays the starters then the second half comes up and Corbin keeps those same starters in there to yet dig us another whole. He needs to send a message to these guys. If they aren't going to play ball, your *** gets benched.
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He's got to let the starters work their way out of these slow starts. Its only been going on for 1.5 years now. LOL.

As to the rotations, starters, etc, the one caveat to keep in mind is that they might be showcasing some of these guys for trades. I hope that is it and not just deaf, dumb, and blind reliance on vets.
 
I've found that in sports as well as in life, people tend to get philosophical and vague when they need to cover up their own lack of effort and/or guilty conscience.

Who am I?

Where am I going?

What am I doing?

You know what? Show up, play hard and play smart. When that doesn't work out then you can sit down like Plato and try to decipher the bigger picture.
 
I agree with most of what everyone is saying. Sounds like the "chemistry"on the team is as temperamental as this board is. Team was talking about how good the chemistry was after the Memphis win and then two bad losses and everyone is at a loss for words.

I think Raja realizes that AJ screws up their defense. Harris has no freak'n clue how to run the offense and that CJ is dumber than a lamp post when it comes to knowing what to do. Throw in Howard who seems to have regressed since his injure and now is just throwing up shots.

I have always been an advocate of playing the best players but it is time that starters are not entitled to their minutes if they don't play hard. I would rather play the young guys and lose than watch the effort by some of the veterans and still lose.
 
cowhide said:
I agree with most of what everyone is saying. Sounds like the "chemistry"on the team is as temperamental as this board is. Team was talking about how good the chemistry was after the Memphis win and then two bad losses and everyone is at a loss for words.

I think Raja realizes that AJ screws up their defense. Harris has no freak'n clue how to run the offense and that CJ is dumber than a lamp post when it comes to knowing what to do. Throw in Howard who seems to have regressed since his injure and now is just throwing up shots.

I have always been an advocate of playing the best players but it is time that starters are not entitled to their minutes if they don't play hard. I would rather play the young guys and lose than watch the effort by some of the veterans and still lose.
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There's too much jackpotting around I tell ya.
 
I'm getting tired of posting up Millsap. It's completely hopeless for him most of time, unless he is going up a PF who is a bad defender.

Sap needs to run more pick 'n pop and get easier looks at the basket. He just isn't great at creating his own offense unless he is smoldering hot.

Jefferson needs stop being slow as hell. I thought he looked a little better this year until he tweaked his ankle. Ever since then he has been back to his plodding self. He can't rebound outside of his area, and he struggles to rebound within his area at times.

Our wings need to do a better job at rebounding also instead of leaking out. How many rebounds do we give up that happen around 15-20 feet outside of the basket? This is the one thing Howard does well.

Raja needs more PT along with Burks. Miles is terrible in road games.
 
As much as I hate to say it, but I agree that the 2 and 3 minutes should be split between Bell, Burks and Hayward. CJ can get 10 minutes a game when we need chucking. And Howard should not touch the hardwood ever again. As far as Jefferson "needing to stop being slow", we should also hope Millsap grows a few inches taller.
 
kwb said:
Love how the starters dug a hole, in comes the bench, out plays the starters then the second half comes up and Corbin keeps those same starters in there to yet dig us another whole. He needs to send a message to these guys. If they aren't going to play ball, your *** gets benched.
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Starters didn't play a minute of the 4th quarter last night. Let's hope Corbin keeps the message alive and doesn't start any the next game except maybe Raja as a reward for his hard work.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Sap needs to run more pick 'n pop and get easier looks at the basket. He just isn't great at creating his own offense unless he is smoldering hot.
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Not sure how this is going to work when opposing teams go under every screen and leave perimeter options wide open to help. Burks needs to get some run with Al/Sap when Hayward isn't getting it done. The perimeter players must put more pressure on opposing defenses to keep them honest. Raja should never be the best guard/wing on the team.
 
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