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Re-sign `em all - A value-scenario
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Ralph Lawler is that you?
LoPo
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So Cy, are you suggesting we let Favors and Hood just go? Then Burks next year? All in the hopes of getting Kawhi?
I like the ambition but man that's risky.
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I like the ambition but man that's risky.
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Imagine thinking a 6-game sample size is significant.
Not that ambitious or risky. The alternative is what, keeping some guys that haven't been important to the team's success?
As of a few weeks ago, after all star break.
The Jazz Wonderbra
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There is an interesting article I noticed on hoopshype about how cash strapped teams are and how they are going to avoid signing players in the $6 million to $13 million range.
They pointed out how Boston has no salaries between those numbers. They are either above $14ish for difference makers or overachieving minimum/draft players. They contrasted that with the blazers who have 7 players in the $6 - $13 range and who are in the luxury tax with a mediocre team and non tradeable assets.
If you put that spin on this analysis, favors and hood may be above that line, but only barely and exum is in dangerous waters of having a 10% - 20% drop in value based on perception.
I do think we will get good value for our flexibility and I hope Dennis is driving a hard bargain in spite of everyone's willingness to trade everything 3 weeks ago. Me included.
They pointed out how Boston has no salaries between those numbers. They are either above $14ish for difference makers or overachieving minimum/draft players. They contrasted that with the blazers who have 7 players in the $6 - $13 range and who are in the luxury tax with a mediocre team and non tradeable assets.
If you put that spin on this analysis, favors and hood may be above that line, but only barely and exum is in dangerous waters of having a 10% - 20% drop in value based on perception.
I do think we will get good value for our flexibility and I hope Dennis is driving a hard bargain in spite of everyone's willingness to trade everything 3 weeks ago. Me included.
I'd rather let Favors go than get back a 2nd round pick. It's pretty black and white for me w/ Favors. If you cant get a first then you dont trade him.
Hood is harder to gauge. If it was my choice, I'd risk him in RFA and getting him on a good deal then look to move him in 2019
Given the teams they have played against and how road heavy that stretch it, I would say it's significant. Jazz can beat anyone.
Because I was considering the worst case scenario of this approach. And in a worst case scenario that is exactly what could happen. We pay Favors 15 per, Hood 12 per and then for whatever reason (injury, inconsistent play, whatever) their contracts become an albatross we are stuck with. Or under another possibility, we simply never find a trade for a third star using their contracts like we had hoped that we could and our current team reaches its ceiling with very little financial/roster flexibility to change. Another huge factor in this is that the Millers would be forced to pay the tax next year if we shell out the money to keep all of these guys.
I just think that this approach is too risky. Keep flexibility around Spida and Rudy until the time is right. They are so good. I don't think we have to go all in on a move this quickly.
Coach Ellis
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I’ve been an adamant fan of keeping both Favors and Hood - especially with a depressed market on the horizon.
3 & D opportunity basketball is Quin’s game and it’s working very well right now. Both guys fit the team’s timeline and I have a hard time seeing Utah replace them for less than it costs to keep them.
3 & D opportunity basketball is Quin’s game and it’s working very well right now. Both guys fit the team’s timeline and I have a hard time seeing Utah replace them for less than it costs to keep them.
RRJazz
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+1. This situation reminds me of JaMychal Green. He was supposed to command +15M/year when FA started. Huge contracts were signed quickly, teams ran out of money. Green received basically no interest and he ended up signing with the Grizzlies a 2-year, $17 million contract. He's a pretty similar player to Favors and shoots 35% from 3. He was a RFA, though.
Coach Ellis
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I’d rather keep Favors, Rubio and Hood and see how the season plays out. Swapping Hayward/Hill ($50+ million this year and next) for Rubio/Mitchell ($17-$18 million this year and next) has barely slowed the Jazz down.
It makes sense to listen to offers, but I really like this team as constructed right now. I’d be willing to play the long game and see if they could get them all back (plus Exum) at value after the season.
I would (however) be very interested in good deals involving Burks, JJ and maybe Jerebko or Neto.
It makes sense to listen to offers, but I really like this team as constructed right now. I’d be willing to play the long game and see if they could get them all back (plus Exum) at value after the season.
I would (however) be very interested in good deals involving Burks, JJ and maybe Jerebko or Neto.
Jazz Traveler
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I want to ride it out with Favors and re-sign him. Keep Rubio. Trade Hood for the best offer. Offload Burks for anything. And buy out Joe Johnson.
Coach Ellis
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I’m still leaning towards keeping Hood, but if someone is willing to pay a premium price to get him, I’d be onboard. It has to be great value though. I have a feeling that Rodney Hood’s next contract will be a lot more reasonable than people expect. I think he’s better than Khris Middleton with a lot more upside. If the Jazz can keep the contract around Middleton’s ($13-14 million per year) then he’s a steal when the cap bumps back up again.
Bawse Dawg
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If the numbers work then I like it. Mitchell will become a star, Gobert is still getting better. Hood could become an assassin any day. Exum would be a huge wildcard, but he's shown amazing potential. I think that'd be a great team going forward.
What about our last 6 game win streak where we beat 5 playoff teams in a row without Gobert? Rubio was playing poorly then but we had a hot shooting streak and it opened up our offense a lot.
Then we went on to lose a bunch.
Its just really hard to gauge this team and what is going to happen. I wouldnt bank on this win streak as a reason to not make a move. They are playing really well but some of that is that we are really really hot shooting and it makes this offense look really good. If we go cold again it will make everything look like crap again offensively. The passing lanes Rubio is getting will be gone. There is no way we keep shooting 60% from three like we have in the last 6 games. But some things are clicking and the players are engaged. They seemed like the team had quit around the Atlanta loss. So who knows. There are tons of positives though.
I am still in the same boat. Trade anyone not named Gobert or Mitchell if you can get a good offer. Build the best team around those two.
I would hold on to Exum because you wont get enough back for him. I would only trade Rubio if you got back more than you traded for him.
I would try and keep Favors unless you get an upgrade at SF or PF or a decent 1st.
I have no idea what to do with Hood, I dont know where he stands with the Jazz and what the Jazz think of him. There is too much speculation about him. If he doesnt net much in a trade then hope he gets a low offer I guess. A tall excellent shooter like Hood has a lot of value on our team, but not if he is unhappy or the cost is too high.
key word: without gobert
So it was a fake run before since we did it without Gobert but this is a real run?
The same thing happened. We got really hot from 3 and it opened up the entire court for everyone. People thought it was because of better spacing but it was just hot shooting. There were some positives during that run, just like now. I am hoping we have turned the corner and players like Rubio have figured our system out. But if he goes back to shooting and teams stop guarding him we will have the same issues. Rubio cant be amazing like he has if teams give him 10 feet of space and he cant make them pay.
But Rubio's shot looks improved. But it also looked improved last year in March.
I am hopeful, but it should not change our strategy for trades. If we get good value we should trade anyone. We cant get good value for Gobert and Mitchell so they are off the table, everyone else... make an offer. That doesnt mean we should trade anyone except Hood if he really wants out.
Yes, precisely. It's not the same thing. Rubio is playing better and Gobert is there. The defense is there now. Even when they cool down, they still got the D.
LoPo
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Hood will want to start and Hood will want to get paid. I'd love to keep the guy, but those are two truths we cannot avoid. Even if we keep him at a bargain, we will still have to worry about keeping him happy as a bench player. If we can do that, let's keep him. If we can't, I think that's why he is being made available in the first place.