Mr. McGibblets
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It's a good article I suggest you read.
https://basketball.realgm.com/blog/220583/The_Genius_Of_Kevin_OConnor
https://basketball.realgm.com/blog/220583/The_Genius_Of_Kevin_OConnor
Real GM: The Genius of KOC
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Brown Notes
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But, but... he hired Corbin!!
Powshredder
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But, but, he didn't trade raja....WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
I've been around the Spurs message board, there are people there who think Popovich is holding the team back. There are dumb people on every forum who hate on the team despite how good they may be.
HeavenHarris
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did this guy just call Harris, Kanter, Favors, etc. fruits?
From the article:
It's true, because he is deity.
It's true, because he is deity.
candrew
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I'm not a KOC hater; but I take major issue with the term "full rebuilding".
KOC gets high marks for Step 1 - and that's drafting Hayward, Burks and Kanter and trading for Favors. On a smaller scale he also gets credit for picking up Carroll and Tinsely
I also give him credit for Step 2 - and that's managing the cap situation.
Step 3 hasn't even started yet - and that's transitioning out the veterans through trades and/or letting their contracts expire or resigning them.
Who KOC brings in and who he keeps in Step 3 will determine whether or not he's been a success. He still got a ways to go.
KOC gets high marks for Step 1 - and that's drafting Hayward, Burks and Kanter and trading for Favors. On a smaller scale he also gets credit for picking up Carroll and Tinsely
I also give him credit for Step 2 - and that's managing the cap situation.
Step 3 hasn't even started yet - and that's transitioning out the veterans through trades and/or letting their contracts expire or resigning them.
Who KOC brings in and who he keeps in Step 3 will determine whether or not he's been a success. He still got a ways to go.
Mr. McGibblets
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To rebuild you have to get rid of all your vets? This seems inane and shortsighted. Show me teams outside of OKC (since they are an anomaly with KD) who have rebuilt into a successful team by getting rid of all the vets and going with only young guys.
Here is a list of the playoff teams. How many of them went through your idealized version of the process to get them where they are now? Maybe you could argue Memphis, but even then they had Randolph and had some vets (Battier) that were crucial in getting their team playoff experience last year. Indiana maybe?
In any case, you don't need to get rid of your vets in order to be a successful team/rebuild. More often than not, successful teams come from superstars (young or old) mixed with other quality players (young or old). Going young for the sake of it is what perennial bottom-dwellers do (GSW, Charlotte, Sacramento, Washington, etc.).
Chicago
Miami
Atlanta
Indiana
Boston
New York
Orlando
Philadelphia
OKC
San Antonio
LAL
LAC
Dallas
Denver
Utah
Phoenix
Houston
Memphis
candrew
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What's inane and shortsighted is your reading comprehension.
Where do I say get rid of all the vets?
LOL - You even bolded the part where I bring up the option of retaining them.
I'm also a fan of KOC. I even picked up his Jersey at a yard sale for a good deal.
Ok, I made up the jersey part, but they really should give him a jersey and a number.
Results matter, and KOC has just gotten the job done. Another rockstar GM that KOC has soundly drubbed is Kevin Pritchard.
KOC isn't perfect, but we're fortunate to have him. Just think about the 2006 draft, if you have to re-draft, Millsap is definitely a top 5 pick. And how many teams trade so high into a draft to get their guy and he ends up panning out very well?
Precisely. Some dip ****s will never be satisfied.
On a related tangent, RC Buford is one of the few guys (actually the only one off the top of my head) that I'd take over KOC),
The Thriller
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KOC has done a good job.
But should we really be celebrating that our management is better than Houston's? For one, Houston was a team that loved Tmac, signed/traded for Ron Artest, and canned JVG and Rick Adelman, right? In all fairness, they lost Yao Ming. If we were to lose Favors for 4 straight years due to injuries, I'm not sure we'd be lookin so hot...
The Suns management put together a team that competed for the Finals for several years in a row. They had major losses in FA with Amare and Joe Johnson bailing. They had a brief brain fart in trading for The Big Shaqtus (he was a bigtime disaster after about 04 when he got too fat and old).
Houston? Hasn't won a playoff series in how many years?
The Suns? In the same boat as the Jazz, never having won the big one, and stuck because their aging superstar keeps them too competitive (just like how we couldn't rebuild with Malone and Stockton keeping us afloat).
Ultimately, credit needs to be given for KOC having traded Duron when he did, drafting Hayward, and finding some serviceable players like Carroll... He also needs to be bashed for retarded signings of Raja Bell, CJ Miles, and Josh Howard. Not to mention, didn't he also draft Curtis Borchart, Kirk Snyder, and Boom Bitches (ahead of Ibaka???????????? Damn it!!!). The jury is still out on Burks and Kanter. And we'll see how he handles the upcoming FA situation....
He has done a good job. And he needs to be given credit for that.
He shouldn't be given credit for having "done better" than Houston. Houston has been in the crapper for years. And unfortunately, their luck really ran out when Yao was bitten by the injury bug.
Phx? They've been a respectable organization for years. We were in the lottery while they battled teams like SA for the WCF. They're in a transition phase and won't be able to rebuild until they unload Nash.
But should we really be celebrating that our management is better than Houston's? For one, Houston was a team that loved Tmac, signed/traded for Ron Artest, and canned JVG and Rick Adelman, right? In all fairness, they lost Yao Ming. If we were to lose Favors for 4 straight years due to injuries, I'm not sure we'd be lookin so hot...
The Suns management put together a team that competed for the Finals for several years in a row. They had major losses in FA with Amare and Joe Johnson bailing. They had a brief brain fart in trading for The Big Shaqtus (he was a bigtime disaster after about 04 when he got too fat and old).
Houston? Hasn't won a playoff series in how many years?
The Suns? In the same boat as the Jazz, never having won the big one, and stuck because their aging superstar keeps them too competitive (just like how we couldn't rebuild with Malone and Stockton keeping us afloat).
Ultimately, credit needs to be given for KOC having traded Duron when he did, drafting Hayward, and finding some serviceable players like Carroll... He also needs to be bashed for retarded signings of Raja Bell, CJ Miles, and Josh Howard. Not to mention, didn't he also draft Curtis Borchart, Kirk Snyder, and Boom Bitches (ahead of Ibaka???????????? Damn it!!!). The jury is still out on Burks and Kanter. And we'll see how he handles the upcoming FA situation....
He has done a good job. And he needs to be given credit for that.
He shouldn't be given credit for having "done better" than Houston. Houston has been in the crapper for years. And unfortunately, their luck really ran out when Yao was bitten by the injury bug.
Phx? They've been a respectable organization for years. We were in the lottery while they battled teams like SA for the WCF. They're in a transition phase and won't be able to rebuild until they unload Nash.
Right now Burks, Favors, and Kanter collectively are not qualified to carry DWill jock strap. So, I would withhold the judgement at the moment. Kanter was 3d overall pick and has not done much. Favors is doing better, but did not improve at all from last year. Now, I hope in a few years they will be better, but DWill, whom he traded, is an elite player, so for that trade to be justified, these high picks need to improve quite a bit. Until they do, I don't see KOC as a bigger winner here, or executive of the year.
NotDeadYet
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How many teams lose a 'super-star' and their HC one year and make the playoffs the NEXT year?? Denver lost Crymelo, but kept George Carl, who BTW is a very good coach. KoC has done a remarkable job...
freakazoid
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Agree. A little strategy in the games against GS would have been genius. Losing both those picks over one game would be a major fail and lost opportunity. Other than that, KOC has done a great job, and I consider him to be one of the best in the biz.
These are my favorite parts of the article.
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