Burks has been injured for most of the past 2 years and Hood just finished his 2nd year. You are a complete idiot to draw conclusions on either player (especially Hood who has proven he is a starter and a good one at that).
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Burks has been injured for most of the past 2 years and Hood just finished his 2nd year. You are a complete idiot to draw conclusions on either player (especially Hood who has proven he is a starter and a good one at that).
Fair enough, but I think people really need to get their expectations down about second round picks, especially in a weak draft class. You can't hope for someone that is going to make an impact soon, or possibly ever.Just be pleasantly surprised if they do. Once the Jazz traded their first, then the team for this year was pretty much set.
Joe Bagadonuts
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How many players do you think they're allowed to carry on their roster?
green
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Yup.
green
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Hood, per game, his first two years:
8 pts to 14.5 pts
41% FG to 42%
37% 3pt% to 36
2 rebs to 3 rebs
2 assists to 3 assists
1 TO to 2 TO's.
Per 36 mins:
15 pts to 16
3 ft attempts to 3 ft attempts
4 rebs to 4 rebs
3 assists to 3 assists
1.5 To's to 2
Other than getting more minutes last year, where did he improve? He was the same player he was a rookie (which isn't a bad thing). He just was given more minutes.
Advanced stats
12 to 14 PER
.529 to .542 TS%
6 to 6 trb%
13 to 14 ast%
1.5 to 1.5 stl%
He is a solid player. A very good NBA player. But one that you should be looking to upgrade. He won't be a superstar. He won't lead any team anywhere. He won't ever be as good as Gordon Hayward or Derrick Favors. I like Hood. BUT, if we want to get to 50+ wins, we need someone better than him starting at a wing position.
Let's compare him to a couple of players:
Rudy Gay to Batum to Dudley to Korver to Hood
17 pts to 15 to 8 to 9 to 14
46% fg% to 43% to 48% to 44% to 42
36% 3pt% to 35% to 42% to 43% to 36%
7 rebs to 6 to 4 to 3 to 3
2 assists to 6 to 2 to 2 to 3
16 PER to 16 to 12 to 10 to 14
.538 TS% to .545 to .602 to .578 to .542
What's my point in all this? Hood is very average. He isn't going to take the world by storm and become an all star. If you can upgrade him, you do it.
The only time Kobe's PER was as low as Hood's was this year.
Durrant's PER is consistently 10 pts higher.
Leonard's PER has never been as low as Hood's...and was over ten points higher this year.
Harden's PER is over 10 pts higher...and his TS% is consistently 0.1 higher as well.
LeBron has had his PER over 15 pts higher.
Paul George's PER went 13, 16, 17, 20. So, I guess there is hope that Hood could follow his path. BUT, George does a lot of things a lot better than Hood. A lot of things.
Carmelo has never had a PER as low as Hood's best year.
Those are all the all star G/F from last year. Now tell me about how Hood has a shot to be an all star again.
There is ONE player who Hood could follow a similar path, and that is Jimmy Butler. But scroll down on the main page and you'll find a thread started by me with me being ripped on for how over-rated Butler is.
Look at Hood in his first year with big mins (>30)vs Butler:
14 pts vs 13
42% FG vs 40
36% 3PT vs 28
3 rebs vs 5
3 assists vs 3
14 PER vs 14
.542 TS% vs .522
Very similar players.
8 pts to 14.5 pts
41% FG to 42%
37% 3pt% to 36
2 rebs to 3 rebs
2 assists to 3 assists
1 TO to 2 TO's.
Per 36 mins:
15 pts to 16
3 ft attempts to 3 ft attempts
4 rebs to 4 rebs
3 assists to 3 assists
1.5 To's to 2
Other than getting more minutes last year, where did he improve? He was the same player he was a rookie (which isn't a bad thing). He just was given more minutes.
Advanced stats
12 to 14 PER
.529 to .542 TS%
6 to 6 trb%
13 to 14 ast%
1.5 to 1.5 stl%
He is a solid player. A very good NBA player. But one that you should be looking to upgrade. He won't be a superstar. He won't lead any team anywhere. He won't ever be as good as Gordon Hayward or Derrick Favors. I like Hood. BUT, if we want to get to 50+ wins, we need someone better than him starting at a wing position.
Let's compare him to a couple of players:
Rudy Gay to Batum to Dudley to Korver to Hood
17 pts to 15 to 8 to 9 to 14
46% fg% to 43% to 48% to 44% to 42
36% 3pt% to 35% to 42% to 43% to 36%
7 rebs to 6 to 4 to 3 to 3
2 assists to 6 to 2 to 2 to 3
16 PER to 16 to 12 to 10 to 14
.538 TS% to .545 to .602 to .578 to .542
What's my point in all this? Hood is very average. He isn't going to take the world by storm and become an all star. If you can upgrade him, you do it.
The only time Kobe's PER was as low as Hood's was this year.
Durrant's PER is consistently 10 pts higher.
Leonard's PER has never been as low as Hood's...and was over ten points higher this year.
Harden's PER is over 10 pts higher...and his TS% is consistently 0.1 higher as well.
LeBron has had his PER over 15 pts higher.
Paul George's PER went 13, 16, 17, 20. So, I guess there is hope that Hood could follow his path. BUT, George does a lot of things a lot better than Hood. A lot of things.
Carmelo has never had a PER as low as Hood's best year.
Those are all the all star G/F from last year. Now tell me about how Hood has a shot to be an all star again.
There is ONE player who Hood could follow a similar path, and that is Jimmy Butler. But scroll down on the main page and you'll find a thread started by me with me being ripped on for how over-rated Butler is.
Look at Hood in his first year with big mins (>30)vs Butler:
14 pts vs 13
42% FG vs 40
36% 3PT vs 28
3 rebs vs 5
3 assists vs 3
14 PER vs 14
.542 TS% vs .522
Very similar players.
Coach Ellis
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15. Same as always. Part with Booker, Burke, Johnson and Pleiss and you're already there.
Exum - Hill - Mack - Neto
Hood - Burks - Korkmaz
Hayward - Jingles
Favors - Lyles - Labissiere
Gobert - Withey - Qi
Rotate Korkmaz, Labissiere, Neto and Qi with the SLC Stars so they're getting good practice time in as well as playing time in the D-League.
If you decide that you still want to get a free agent, you have up to Max space and can part ways with either Mack or Withey pretty easily. Solid playoff rotation for now and developmental guys in the works to develop.
Honest question. If all other things remain the same is a player better because they get selected to the All Star team?
green
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In the case of every all star chosen last Feb, outside of Butler, a resounding yes.
Here is my point:
Hood is a very, very nice player. He is a solid starter. If you can upgrade him and move him to the bench, you do it. If you can't, it's ok because he is an average starter.
Expecting him to become some great player is foolish. There's nothing that suggests this other than homerism. He is a solid starter. He will play 8-10 years, start some, come off the bench in some. He will make a boat-load of money. I'd love to be in his position.
I don't think you understood my question.
If player A has stats X...
Is player A a better player if they get chosen for the all star game even if stats remain X?
You talk about it like getting picked for the all star game makes players better in and of itself.
Coach Ellis
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I think I have a higher opinion of Hood than you, but this is essentially my position on things. Build from the top down and push talent to the bench. It's the main reason I'd like them to chase DeMar DeRozan. He's better than Hood and Burks. He makes the starting unit better AND pushing them both to the bench makes the reserves better in turn. Plus, I think he's young enough and has a good enough BBIQ and work ethic to continue improving under Snyder.
green
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Then, no, making an all star game doesn't make you a great player. BUT, the only all star Hood is even in the same stratosphere is Butler. Every other G/F has never had a season as bad as Hood's best year.
So, does being an all star make you great? Nope.
BUT, most all stars are chosen because they are really, really good. There are a few exceptions, say Jimmy Butler who played for a large market team and was ok, but they are not the norm. Usually, if you are an all star, you are really, really good.
So, being an All Star is a pretty safe bet that you provide a service to the NBA that goes above and beyond your average NBA player.
Hood doesn't provide that service. He is a solid player. Nothing more, nothing less.
Heck, if I had to choose between Hood at 20 million per year and Gordon at 30+ per year...I take Hayward 100 times out of 100. I can easily replace Hood. And probably for a lot less than 20 million per year. I can't replace Hayward as easily. Hayward has been our PG since Harris left. He has played as well as he has with no help around him.
Predicted roster will be these 11: Exum, Hood, Hayward, Favors, Gobert, Hill, Burks, Ingles, Lyles, Neto (or Mack), new shooting 4/5.
This leaves 4 slots "up in the air" and possibility that the Jazz fill with 2/3 second rounders on minimum contracts, with team options for years 2,3. They play for the Stars for most of the year.
RandyForRubio
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I wouldn't say that Hood will ever be an all-star, but according to RPM, he was a top 15 SG in the league. That's not bad for a 2nd year player. If we can improve him, yeah, go for it...but it won't be easy.
Coach Ellis
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Have to think that they're going to keep Neto, Mack, Withey, Pleiss and Bolomboy this year due to favorable contracts.
Gobert, Favors, Lyles, Hayward, Hood, Burks, Exum and Hill is your core group - that's 8. Factor them keeping Jingles, Mack, Neto, Withey, Bolomboy and Pleiss. That's 14. One spot left for a free agent. No reason why Bolomboy and/or Neto shouldn't play for the Stars this year. Get them practice time with the Jazz and playing time with the Stars.
Still hoping the Jazz shoot for the moon and chase DeRozan. I think that would be the best move for them over the summer. If a veteran wing wants to come here to be a mentor, he should do it at a reasonable cost and they can easily move on from any of Withey, Pleiss or Mack. I'm pretty sure all 3 are gone next year anyways.
Dubious. Kyle Lowry did not score >10 ppg until his fifth season. Draymond averaged 3 and 6 PPG his first 2 seasons. Rodney was better than Kobe last year. And I'd take last year's Hood over rookie Isaiah and early years of Millsap.
Jingles yes. Mack and Neto -- no way both stay. My money is on Neto since his contract is guaranteed and he should be a fine third stringer. Pleiss -- maybe. Withey -- maybe.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Lol. U make it sound so easy. Would u have given up your 25th pick for second rounders and cash? How do u know they didn't offer that. Fact is most of the assets they have are more valuable then a late first
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Joe Bagadonuts
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I think the Jazz should keep Pleiss, Withey and Mack at least long enough to trade them for an asset. I think they need to add at least one, and probably two, free agents. That's why I see fewer open slots on this team than you apparently do. If we had bought multiple first round picks we'd start running out of slots quickly.