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RealGM Mock Off-Season - Thoughts?

orangello said:
They allow you to do that in your mock?

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Yeah, because we started the draft before the witdhrawal date. It seems like it's a real even though archaic rule in the CBA - they allow teams to keep the rights to players that return to school for up to 3 years after they've been drafted. The NCAA doesn't allow them to go back to school, but the NBA does.
 
Catchall said:
How many teams have asked about trading for:

a) Lyles
b) Exum
c) Hood

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Exum - very few ... Miami wanted Exum, Hood and pick(s) for Dragic.
BKN asked for Exum for Lin
People prod about Hood a bit, he was one of the pieces in the failed Beal deal.
Lyles was talked about around draft day in packages about moving up, but nothing materialized. Not a lot of interest here, either.

Oh well...
 
What do you guys think of Reggie Jackson? Would you take him if he came for free? Or close to free? I never thought I'd like him on the Jazz but it might be better to go with him in free agency than without a PG at all...
 
stitches said:
What do you guys think of Reggie Jackson? Would you take him if he came for free? Or close to free? I never thought I'd like him on the Jazz but it might be better to go with him in free agency than without a PG at all...
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No way... his teammates hate him... if you trade for a high price pg it means you have given up on Hill. I don't see the Jazz doing that... I could see us getting a vet guy at a low cost to say "look worst case we have Vet A and Exum will grow". Not ideal but Reggie is toxic and I think it would be just an awful fit.

Would rather take on Knight for free and see how he'd work as a PG in our system. Could likely dump AB in that deal too.
 
stitches said:
What do you guys think of Reggie Jackson? Would you take him if he came for free? Or close to free? I never thought I'd like him on the Jazz but it might be better to go with him in free agency than without a PG at all...
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As others have said, no to Jackson unless the Pistons are including additional assets to take him.

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A little update on the mock off-season on the T&T board - I tried dealing for Dragic for one last time, but Miami wanted Exum + 2 first rounders and I decided it's not worth it. Free agency just started and here are the offers I've made to our FA:

stitches said:
The Utah Jazz offer Gordon Hayward max offer of any length and with any player option Gordon would like from 1+1 to 4+1(with maximum 8% raises, compared to other teams that can only give 4%). He is our centerpiece... he's shown he can raise his level even more in those last playoffs and we believe he can be even more deadly offensive option for the Jazz. We believe we have established a great team with great culture and atmosphere where Gordon has shown he can have continuous growth and the team can grow alongside him. We are the only team in history to make the 20-30-40-50 wins jump in 4 consecutive years and we believe this trend can continue. We believe we are a winning team that's still on the rise. Numerous metrics show that this team was close to around 60 wins team this year if the team was healthy. We believe the Jazz are the best team for Gordon to win now among all candidates for his signing and we believe we have good basis for long-term success with good young players that have nowhere to go but up. We have the best defensive center in the league in Rudy Gobert who make us a top 3 defense by his mere presence. That's one of the best pieces to surround a budding star like Hayward - an unselfish offensively player, who plays high efficiency basketball on both ends, but doesn't require the ball in his hands. Rudy is tied with a long-term contract which assures the Jazz place around the top of defensive teams in the league for the foreseeable future. We believe Gordon is the other main piece of our puzzle making our offense hum. We appreciate Gordon moving full-time to Utah and spending the full summer in Utah last year working on his game, we believe this shows our other players the way hard work and dedication pays off. The Jazz were happy to provide Gordon with trainers on call to help him develop his game during last summer. We believe this shows the Jazz' ability to develop players and the Jazz' new state of the art training facility is just the next step toward it. We have hired one of the best young coaches in the game. A coach that has shown to consistently be able to extract the best of players and put them in the best position to succeed(Hill, Hayward, Gobert, Ingles, Favors, Hood ... all have shown his best with coach Snyder), a coach under the tutelage of whom Gordon was able to raise his game to the point of being one of the premier wings in the league, a coach who put him in the position to show his full array of athletic and skill attributes that led to a fully deserved All-Star selection in the Western conference.

We believe the Jazz are the perfect combination for Hayward to
1. Give him the best chance to win in the league
2. Be best compensated for his talents
3. Provide him the infrastructure and coaching to improve his game even further
4. Be a part of a community that loves him and appreciates him.
5. Grow and raise a family in one of the most family-freindly communities in the country.
6. Be a Jazz legend and put his name next to Karl Malone and John Stockton on the rafters at the end of his career.

We would like to hear what Gordon's thoughts are and would be happy to take his input in some of our decision making this summer.
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The Utah Jazz would like to offer George Hill 4 year 76 million dollar offer to stay with the team that unlocked his offensive potential and the team that gives him a great chance to win. We believe after being ignored in the Indiana's offense, the Jazz utilized George's ability better than anyone before and we believe he's a great piece for the Jazz going forward. George can be assured he will be used to the best of his abilities. We will rely on him to be a solid point of attack defender, but we also see him being able to keep, if not improve his offensive production with another year in the Jazz offensive system. He will be given the chance to run PnR, unlike with other teams that have ignored his offensive creativity so far. We want George to retire with us and we are willing to offer him a 4 year contract going into his mid 30s. We also appreciate George's involvement in the community and we believe the community would welcome him back and love to have him back.
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The Utah Jazz offer Joe Ingles 4 year 32M offer. We know that Joe wants to be back and we want him back too. Joe was one of Dennis Lindsey and Quin Snyder's revelations. We gave him the chance to be a an NBA player after numerous other teams passed on him and he took the opportunity and never looked back surpassing all expectation. As Joe has himself said, he loves the community and what the team has done for him and his family and he thinks the Jazz are the priority for his FA. We believe in this marriage and we want to give Joe long-term security, that's why we are offering him a 4 year deal to be our jackknife piece off the bench with consistent minutes with the possibility of getting starter minutes in case of injuries...
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And here's the 2 other offers Hayward has gotten:
From Boston:
The Celtics offer Gordon Hayward the full max we can. We think reuniting him with Stevens would be great for him and us both. He would immediately be the Number 1 option on one of the top teams in the East.
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Good thing about Boston's offer is that they actually traded away IT for future picks. I don't think this would help them in pursuing Hayward.

From HOU, he's the C option for the Rockets:

The Houston Rockets offer the full max contract to Gordon Hayward... Giving him a chance to play with the perfect compliment to his game in a scoring PG that is willing to share the ball... D'antonis up tempo system would allow him to flourish offensively and help us become contenders with one of the top duos in the game...
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I've expressed interest in Milos Teodosic just so he knows there is a chance for him to come to the Jazz if Hill doesn't sign, because he already received a 3/40 from BKN. I am not sure I will be able to go that high but at least he can be on a winning team.

stitches said:
The Jazz would like to express interest in Milos Teodosic through his agents, but not extend a formal offer yet. We would like for Milos to know that his dream to play for Quin Snyder and the Jazz might become a reality in case the Jazz are unable to negotiate a contract with George Hill.
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Right now, there are no other offers for Ingles and Hill.
 
Thanks, stitches.

Granted, it's just a RealGM off-season you're doing but I think the perception of Hill in that thing may be more aligned with GM's around the league than our own perception of him. Most of us love him and want him back and will pay, even overpay, to retain him, mostly because we did so well with him and he and Hayward appear so tight. But I'm not sure most GM's look at him as a centerpiece to winning. He is older. He averages less than 5 assists per game. He had some injury issues this year. He just doesn't stand out in any way. And I'm not sure teams want to pay a guy at that age the kind of money he and his agent were rumored to be seaking. Maybe the Nets will but I doubt it and don't think he'd want to go there either, even if they're willing to pay him 20M more.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Thanks, stitches.

Granted, it's just a RealGM off-season you're doing but I think the perception of Hill in that thing may be more aligned with GM's around the league than our own perception of him. Most of us love him and want him back and will pay, even overpay, to retain him, mostly because we did so well with him and he and Hayward appear so tight. But I'm not sure most GM's look at him as a centerpiece to winning. He is older. He averages less than 5 assists per game. He had some injury issues this year. He just doesn't stand out in any way. And I'm not sure teams want to pay a guy at that age the kind of money he and his agent were rumored to be seaking. Maybe the Nets will but I doubt it and don't think he'd want to go there either, even if they're willing to pay him 20M more.
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It's still early, free agency just opened so I expect more offers to come.
 
T&T Mock Off-season: We did it guys! Hayward is back. Now lets get Hill and Ingles done:

Day 1 Results:
Paul Millsap re-signs with Hawks
Gordon Hayward re-signs with Jazz
Bogdan Bogdanovic re-signs with Kings
Darren Collison re-signs with Kings
Zach Randolph re-signs with Grizzlies
K.J. McDaniels sign with Grizzlies
Bojan Bogdanovic re-signs with Wizards
Jeff Teague re-signs with Pacers
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope re-signs with Pistons
Ben McLemore signs with Knicks (Note: Kings can match in Day 2)
Tony Snell re-signs with Bucks
Milos Teodosic signs with Nets
Thomas Bryant signs with 76ers
Nigel Hayes signs with Bulls
Marcus Keane signs with Nets
Sterling Brown signs with Jazz
Isaiah Cousins signs with Kings
V.J. Beachem signs with Bucks
Andrew Jones signs with 76ers
Peter Jok signs with Bucks
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I also managed to sign Sterling Brown to a 2-way NBA/GLeague contract. VERY NICE! Since I got the main thing I wanted(Hayward back), now I'm not pressed to give Hill anything he wants, I can actually do what's best for the team long-term instead of giving him an albatross of a contract just to keep Hayward).
 
I'm having a dream off-season, guys. After signing Hayward for the 5 max here's all other signings I've done:



Jazz agreed to 5/$177.5M (4+1 PO) contract with Gordon Hayward.
Jazz agreed to 4/78M contract with George Hill.
Jazz agreed to 4/35M contract with Joe Ingles
Jazz agreed to 4/32M(MLE) contract with Patrick Patterson
Jazz agreed to 2/3.5M (1+1TO) contract with Donatas Motiejunas(using minimum salary exception
Jazz agreed to 2 year 2 way contract with Isaiah Briscoe
Jazz agreed to 2 year 2-way contract with Sterling Brown

Jazz renounce Jeff Withey
Jazz renounce Shelvin Mack
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The current roster is as follows:

Depth Charts
PG: George Hill*, Dante Exum, Raul Neto**
SG: Rodney Hood, Joe Ingles*
SF: Gordon Hayward*, Joe Johnson
PF: Derrick Favors, Patrick Patterson, Trey Lyles, (Kyle Kuzma), Joel Bolomboy
C: Rudy Gobert, Bam Adebayo, Donatas Motiejunas, Boris Diaw**
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* contract agreed to, waiting for team to finish business in FA to sign it officially
** non-guaranteed contract
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I still have not officially signed with Hayward, Hill and Ingles since they are giving me time to do my other business before closing the deals. Since I had an amazing signing(which I don't think is possible in real life - Patterson for MLE), I'm now looking to balance my roster since it's loaded with bigs(probably even Favors could be gone). If I knew Patterson will agree to this contract, I wouldn't have offered the Motiejunas deal, but since the rules of the game are that once accepted the offer stands even if you want just 1 of 2 possible signings, I had to go with it. Diaw is leaving one way or another. I will try to flip either Favors and/or Lyles and/or Bolomboy for future assets or wings.

Here's the salary situation:
Team Salary:
1 Bolomboy, Joel 1,312,611
2 Patterson, Patrick 8,000,000
3 Diaw, Boris 7,500,000(NG)
4 Exum, Dante 4,992,385
5 Favors, Derrick 12,000,000
6 Gobert, Rudy 21,224,719
7 Hayward, Gordon 24,109,710(caphold) (30,300,000)<-new number after official signing
8 Hill, George 12,000,000(caphold) (18,000,000) <-new number after official signing
9 Hood, Rodney 2,386,864
10 Ingles, Joe 2,687,500 (QO) (8,000,000)<-new number after official signing
11 Johnson, Joe 10,505,000
12 Lyles, Trey 2,441,400
13 Motiejunas, Donatas 1,709,538
14 Neto, Raul 1,471,382 (NG)
16 Adebayo, Edrice 1,579,440
17 Kuzma, Kyle 815,615.00
18 Pasecniks, Anzejs -
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Salaries with capholds(not with new numbers for Hill, Hayward and Ingles): 114,736,164
Cap Space: (-12,920,549)
Salaries with new $ for Hill, Hayward and Ingles and with Diaw removed: ~124M

We will be ~3M over the luxury tax. I will stash Pasecniks in Europe.
 
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This is good. 1 wing away, and definitely need to move Diaw/Favors at this point. You could honestly probably try to move Lyles as well since you picked up 2 PF's. I feel bad for poor Bolomboy in your fantasy world. He probably thought he would get a legit chance to crack the rotation.
 
I like the work here, but I think Patterson will get a very large offer somewhere. Somebody like Brooklyn would probably give him $12+ per year.
 
Mock off-season update:

I just made a deal with the Spurs. I'm not a huge fan of it... the thing I fear most in real life NBA is that Derrick Favors will end up with Pop and he will turn him into a bigs version of Kawhi. Oh well... I needed to balance my roster and I probably couldn't resign Favors past next year, so... at least I got some value for him. :

UTA gets Danny Green, SAS 2019 pick swap(top 3 protected), SAS 2020(top 3 protected until 2023, when it turns into 2 seconds)
SAS gets Derrick Favors, Joel Bolomboy, SAS 2022 2nd round pick

What do you think?

Here's my depth chart right now

Depth Chart
PG: George Hill*, Dante Exum, Raul Neto**
SG: Danny Green, Rodney Hood,
SF: Gordon Hayward*, Joe Ingles*,Joe Johnson
PF: Patrick Patterson, Trey Lyles, Kyle Kuzma
C: Rudy Gobert, Bam Adebayo, Donatas Motiejunas, Boris Diaw**
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* contract agreed to, waiting for team to finish business to sign it officially
** non-guaranteed contract

Boris Diaw will not be on the Jazz, the only question is if I can extract something out of him.
 
I love Danny Green and think he's more of a need than Favors. However, if the Chris Paul stuff is real, this deal doesn't do it for San Antonio. They would be better served figuring out a 3 team deal where they receive Favors and assets, the 3rd team gets Aldridge and the Jazz gets assets. We don't want Aldridge but I'm sure somebody does. Whoever that 3rd team is sends us a useful player or a decent asset. And if I'm San Antonio, Alridge at $21 is a worse asset than Green at $10 if they are trying to clear for Paul who needs people to help spread the floor. Favors can replace most of what Aldridge can give at half the cost (if, if, if he can stay relatively healthy).

I like where your head is at though...
 
Here's the last update for my Mock off-season on the T&T board. I finished the off-season and here are the results:

UTAH JAZZ

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Goals and flow of the off-season: The Jazz came into the off-season with ultimate goal of keeping Gordon Hayward. Any secondary and tertiary goals were subject to that ultimate goal. We felt like we would be alright as long as we have the two cornerstones for our franchise - Rudy Gobert on defense and Hayward on offense. Secondary goal was providing Gordon with a good enough vet starting point guard to stabilize the lineup. The Jazz were in love with what George Hill provided the team last season(when healthy), we felt like he's the perfect complement to the rest of our roster with his ability to play both on and off ball, but were worried that he will get massively overpaid by some team on the free agency market and we had to do our due diligence in order to try to procure a PG before we had to go to Hayward in FA. This lead to serious interest toward Eric Bledsoe, Goran Dragic and Jeremy Lin(as a contingency plan), but we couldn't strike a deal with the respective GMs. Another goal in case we keep our players was to balance the roster and avoid getting in luxury tax hell. Trading Alec Burks essentially for cap relief was a no-brainer here. The trade I'm most ambivalent towards was trading Derrick Favors to the Spurs for Danny Green and future assets(1 first and 1 pick swap). I hated giving up Favors. I think if he gets healthy he's worth much more than that, but once I striked the deals with Hayward, Hill and Ingles it became clear we will have hard time keeping Favors past this current year, so I decided to extract some value for him now, while crawling under the luxury tax. Having secured Patrick Patterson for a long term cost-controlled contract(4 years at MLE) helped with this decision as well.

Major signings/acquisitions:
+Gordon Hayward to 5(4+1PO) years max deal.
+George Hill to 4 years 78M deal
+Joe Ingles to 4 years 35M deal
+Patrick Patterson to 4 years deal at 8M per year(MLE)
+Danny Green at 10M contract for 2 more years(second year PO)

Minor Signings/Acquisitions:
+Donatas Motiejūnas to 2 years(1+1) at vet minimum
+Sterling Brown to 2 years 2-way contract
+Isaiah Briscoe to 2 years 2-way contract

Key and minor losses:
-Derrick Favors
-Boris Diaw
-Alec Burks
-Shelvin Mack
-Jeff Withey
-Joel Bolomboy

Draft:
24. Edrice Adebayo
30. Hamidou Diallo(stashed)
42. Kyle Kuzma
55. Anžejs Pasečņiks(stashed)

Depth Chart
PG: George Hill, Dante Exum, Raul Neto*
SG: Danny Green, Rodney Hood, Sterling Brown
SF: Gordon Hayward, Joe Johnson, Joe Ingles
PF: Patrick Patterson, Trey Lyles, Kyle Kuzma
C: Rudy Gobert, Bam Adebayo, Donatas Motiejunas

Vision for the following season and the future: The Jazz enter the 2017-2018 season with a stacked roster with series of high quality wings, something most teams in the league can only dream about - Danny Green, Rodney Hood, Gordon Hayward, Joe Johnson, Joe Ingles. Quin Snyder's propensity to play multiple(sometimes 4) wings at the same time informed my decision to seek multiple high end wings for the Jazz. All of those could probably start on most teams in the league. The last 3 can also flow into the small lineups as PFs. The sheer number of different options and permutation this roster allows Quin Snyder is very exciting to Jazz fans. The Jazz are determined to keep and enhance their defensive identity and adding one of the best wing defenders in the last 5 years in Danny Green is in line with this goal. Hill-Green-Hayward-Patterson-Gobert features 5 players who are + defenders and have great blend of offensive playmaking and shooting that the Jazz can use with a rolling to the rim Rudy Gobert. If the Jazz want some offensive punch, they can play around with more offensively talented players like Rodney Hood and Joe Johnson in place of Green and/or Patterson. Having said all that, this depth chart is not set in stone. It's very possible some of the subs outplay the listed starters and demand playing time ahead of them. We expect a comeback year from Trey Lyles and he will have opportunity to seize time at the 4 spot. We expect to see development from Dante Exum and he can expect regular backup minutes at the point guard spot.

In general, we feel like we can field one of the best rosters in the league with great quality and versatility in the starting lineup as well as very good depth that will help in case of injuries. We also have some nice youth that presents opportunity for growth of this roster in the future. With Rudy Gobert anchoring the D, we expect this roster to be a top 3 defensive team in the league for the foreseeable future. We also expect this roster to be a very good shooting team, something that seems prerequisite in the modern NBA. The Jazz were one of the teams that created the most corner 3 shots in the league last season and we expect this to continue and give us clear advantage offensively with the series of great 3p shooters we can put on the floor. We expect Gordon Hayward to keep improving his play and establish himself as a perennial all-star/all-NBA type of player. He showed he has yet another gear during this year's playoffs and we couldn't be happier to keep him on the team long-term.

So what do you think guys? How many wins do you give this Jazz team? I'd love to hear your thoughts and critique on my Jazz mock off-season.
 
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When did semi get picked?
 
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