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Reasons you left the LDS church.

Ha, well, whatever. If there's one thing I've learned, its to never really debate religion with religious people. When faith is involved, debate doesn't really ... mean anything.

Its why I avoid topics like 'How many wins does Utah get this year.' Some people just have too much faith, and I don't want to be seen as the pessimistic guy who says '25 wins'.
 
LDS people are the greatest at justifying. Religion in general, but Mormons above the rest have this as their greatest attribute.
 
Why is it a bad thing to know the details? A lot of people who are raised LDS believe without thinking. To not take a look in the microscope is ignorant. Its like buying a car without opening the hood or taking it for a test drive. Its just dumb.

But you have to take a look into the microscope in hundreds, or thousands of areas, not just one. That's what I mean by big picture, take a step back, look at the whole "ecosystem" as a whole, and try to understand how all of the different parts relate to each other. I also believe it's good to look into things, but I also believe it is shortsighted to look into one thing and make a judgement of the whole "ecosystem" based on the one thing you looked focused on.
 
No question. A better way to put that might be that by and large the bigtime BYU haters here are also anti-LDS.
Just because you bark at ghosts and are delusional doesn't mean I hate BYU.

And in case that wasn't in reference to me, I don't believe that YB or Salty are ANTI-LDS, but I could be wrong.
 
LDS people are the greatest at justifying. Religion in general, but Mormons above the rest have this as their greatest attribute.

There are always 2 sides to a coin. I just try to explain what I feel to be misunderstandings about my faith. Just as you say LDS people are great at justifying, I could say you are great at dismissing? It's called communication. I can listen to your beliefs for a better understanding of who you are without scoffing or ridiculing. By the way justifying is a 2 way street. Justify why you believe... justify why you dont.
 
If the church just admitted there have been mistakes it would help alot of people out.

It won't and can't. That's something you sacrifice when you have such a luxury of claiming to be acting totally in accordance with god's will and claiming modern-day revelation. It makes no sense for god to have a change of heart and that is also preached, so for prophets to say 'BLACKS ARE UNCOUTH AND UNCOMELY, WILL BE STRICKEN DOWN IF THEY MARRY INTERRACIALLY, AND WILL NEVER HAVE THE PRIESTHOOD I SAY THIS IN JESUS' NAME, AND POLYGAMY FOR SOME REASON!

(50 to 130 years later)...

JUST KIDDING.' Doesn't really make sense.
 
I've often wondered how many believers would be believers if their parents belonged to a different religion. This goes with any religion. If Joseph Smith/Muhammed/Whoever started their religion today instead of when they did, would you buy in or would you view them as a charlatan or as delusional?
I've wondered this about myself many times. I like to think that I would be open to hearing about it and judging for myself, at least at this point in my life. When I was younger, I would have gone with the labeling them as a charlatan.
 
Unless, of course, it's missionaries telling people how much better their religion is than whatever it is that the potential non-believers believe.
I personally NEVER did that. I feel that telling someone they are absolutely wrong is very counter-productive.
 
Do you believe that one can live as deep and fulfilling a life as you believe you have, without God in his or her life?

Yes. Be he is talking about the church in his life, no necessarily god. I agree with everything beantown said. Even if you believe 100% or not having it in your kids life can be a good thing for them growing up. I was less active from about 16-21 and the last 3 years I haven't been at all. If I go back to the church or not I would like my kids to go. (If I have kids one day) Being in scouts and doing church things growing up made me alot better person even though I was never 100% into the religion.

I still play churchball every year.
 
I don't think a majority of the non-lds or former lds people here are "anti-lds". They just might be anti people like you with a self rightous superiority complex. That's just a guess, but I have no problem with the lds church, but can't stand the vocal minority of lds people that act like that.
Apparently pointing out facts = self righteous superiority complex. Take a breath there big fella.
 
And just to be clear, I am a card-carrying Mormon but I am very far from perfect. I know the path but I struggle to walk it. I've said this several times before but the haters get defensive so just making sure it's out there.

Also, no question the LDS faith is wack. A lot of crazy stuff you have to accept and a lot more you have to take on faith. That's why personal revelation is so critical and why people fade from the religion if they don't have it.
 
You're wrong.

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LDS people are the greatest at justifying. Religion in general, but Mormons above the rest have this as their greatest attribute.

Human beings are great at justifying. It is a survival mechanism. No one is purely objective about EVERYTHING.
 
colton said:
I don't believe there is a "true church" and that because I have joined this club instead of that club that I will gain access to better seats in The Luxury Box. To each their own, but I can't buy it.

I agree.

I'm also very much an active, believing member of the LDS church.

I just realized that this post was a bit ambiguous. It was the second part of YB's statement that I was agreeing with. That is, my belief in the LDS church as the "true church" doesn't make me believe that "because I have joined this club instead of that club that I will gain access to better seats in The Luxury Box". I think there are a LOT of people in other churches that have an equal or better shot than myself at those priceless Luxury Box seats.
 
I've often wondered how many believers would be believers if their parents belonged to a different religion. This goes with any religion. If Joseph Smith/Muhammed/Whoever started their religion today instead of when they did, would you buy in or would you view them as a charlatan or as delusional?

Scientology is going strong. Since it started in the 50's, you'd have to think most of their flock are not the sons and daughters of believers herded into a faith. But with Tom Cruise as their anointed Christ figure (this is real, by the way), the religion is obviously legit so we're all on the slow road to Scientology as I see it.
 
Thanks to those of you that shared why you left the LDS church.
It is interesting to hear people's stories, and why they choose what they choose.
Maybe it just helps me understand the people around me better, what makes someone tick.
 
I earned a degree from BYU some time back. I knew many LDS people who did not truly believe in the tenants of their religion, but they were as unquestionably LDS as those with strong conviction. People simply believe what their parents believe. In political science, it is a widely known fact that ideological socialization(IS) is acquired overwhelmingly through the immediate family. The percentage is high enough to spawn entire sub-fields trying to find out how else is ideology acquired(as obviously many people break away from their parents beliefs). Being part of a community affects almost all aspects of one's life. Like someone mentioned above, he sticks with the system simply because he believes it strengthens his family and imparts good morals on his children. In reality, of course, he's judging those virtues through his own IS. I for an example, do not think that Christian moral ideals are as desirable as secular ones. Thus, I would not value the part religion would play on their imparting.

Breaking away not only forces a whole new paradigm on a member of a species that values stasis over flux, but also requires giving up many important things. Most communities, even tolerant ones, have prejudices against dissenters, and changing views is in practice ostracism from one's niche.

What I'm trying to say is that specifics on why someone leaves are, in a way, irrelevant. Every person has doubts on the truthfulness of one's own ideology. Rejection of an ideology happens when whatever brain mechanism is responsible for evaluating information decides the downsides of leaving a religion are preferable to sticking with it. The actual intellectual justification for leaving typically evolve significantly, after the departure.
 
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