Rebounding
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It's a legitimate concern. This frontcourt was supposed to dominate on the boards, not be dominated.
I have the hardest time believing that not all NBA players shoot at least 80% from the line and/or box-out when trying to rebound. I've never played a frontcourt position and I'm not a great rebounder, but I still box-out on every possession by instinct. I don't understand how you can not as a professional.
I have the hardest time believing that not all NBA players shoot at least 80% from the line and/or box-out when trying to rebound. I've never played a frontcourt position and I'm not a great rebounder, but I still box-out on every possession by instinct. I don't understand how you can not as a professional.
So are you thinking that the effort is currently missing? Furthermore, even with Millsap getting 15, we were still out rebounded.
KM32MVP
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I've not been critical of Jefferson on this board like a lot have, that said...he's not the rebounder I expected him to be.
He has great touch for a big at the FT line and when taking his short range jumper. his unorthodox hook is ugly, but he makes them and thats what counts. his footwork down low is better then most bigs in the league and he's one of the few i think who can get his shot anytime the team is in need of a bucket late.
HOWEVER ...
Al Jefferson =
OMG is he soft...when taking the ball to the basket down low, when rebounding, and when defending!!
He has great touch for a big at the FT line and when taking his short range jumper. his unorthodox hook is ugly, but he makes them and thats what counts. his footwork down low is better then most bigs in the league and he's one of the few i think who can get his shot anytime the team is in need of a bucket late.
HOWEVER ...
Al Jefferson =
OMG is he soft...when taking the ball to the basket down low, when rebounding, and when defending!!
Hopper
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Sloan, who, playin guard, led his team in reboundin some years, said that gittin rebounds is merely a matter of effort.
Williams took part of the blame and said the guards have to help more, so part of the problem was on them.
Dennis Rodman was one of the best rebounders of all time. Why? Because he WANTED the rebound.
Barkley, at 6' 4 1/2," was perenially a leadin rebounder. Why? Not because he wasn't "undersized," that fo sho.
Da Paperboy is the only player in history to lead the NCAA in reboundin 3 straight years. If he sez sumthin about what it takes to rebound, I will listen.
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I think part of the issue with rebounding this year is the Boozer factor...not that we can't replace his boards, but the rest of the team were used to him clearing the glass so the focus on rebounds just has not been there. The team, especially Sap and Al, need to improve their focus on rebounding and we will be fine.
What was the year before?
Last year we were
Opponent FG% 8th (44.9%)
Opponent 3pt% 15th (35.4%)
Opponent Assist 8th (19.9)
I agree that it is about effort, and not length. They have to box out, and they have to go for the rebound, and not just wait for it.
The Nets 16 Offensive boards is way too many, and Kris Humphries 5 Offensive boards were not about length.
The Jazz need to find a way of keeping up the improved defense, while snagging the additional rebounds they are creating with that defense. They have to try to get the rebounds and not just assume they will get them.
This is somewhat misleading.
Sloan led his team in rebounding only once (1966-1967) and did so during an era when teams played the fastest and were most shot happy from distance. That season Sloan's Bull's team was 9th out of 10 teams in points scored per game with 113.2 points per game (on only 42% shooting). These games were played at a pace and in a style that would make the Nash Suns and the Nellie-ball Warriors look like walk-it-up discliplined outfits.
Part of the reason you see a lot of guards get extra rebounds during this era (and one of the reasons the Oscar Robertson triple-double is so difficult to repeat) is that this era was full of "long rebounds" and relatively inflated guard-rebound numbers.
By the time things had normalized, Jerry's rebounds were still high for a guard but he was routinely behind (and sometimes well behind) his team's Centers.
There's also something to be said for the era's average height and rapid expansion on this issue.
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Hopper
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Well, the point wasn't how often Sloan led his team in rebounds. It was about what it takes to rebound. Like any other rebound, it takes hustle, desire, and determination to git a lot of "long" rebounds. Not that Sloan wasn't often in the paint gittin rebounds too.
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I think sacrifising bodies and boxing out instead of going after every ball, trying to outjump your opponents despite being undersized or less athletic + focusing on helping bigmen on rebounds would be enough to overcome this problem. The Jazz are not only being outrebounded, but also they cannot get net rebounds that would create great opportunities for transition offense or open shoots for trailers like Jefferson or AK on offensive end, depending on the schemes. Al Jefferson better stop watching the ball coming to his hands.
I do agree that the effort hasn't always been there. However another isssue is the Jazz shooting percentage is down. In some games it has been awful so a way to decrease the opponent's rebound numbers is make more shots. AJ and AK have been the most disappointing along with Fess.
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I cannot blame Fesenko. He has done way better job boxing out and putting effort on defense and rebounding than others you named.