Ric Bucher reporting Jazz have signed Randy Foye to a 1-year deal
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I think the Jazz are likely to move Watson, if nothing else than as a favor to him.
The Jazz are clearly looking for players who can make space for our post guys and open lanes for Hayward/Burks to slash. It gives the Jazz some more versatility.
gregbroncs
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I think it's clear that the FO believes our outside shooting cost us big time last year. They have made a real effort to go out and get proven shooters.
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Nope, best-case scenario is that they ALL excel, and maybe a 1-2 bench backcourt of Foye playing off of Burks running sets might prove to be one of the best in the NBA. Obviously the Jazz brass has more insight in this roster-dilemma than you do. They aren't gunna sign a guy that impedes the development of one of their most-promising players for absolutely no reason.
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Howard did not start initially.
billyshelby
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You'll get your wish because Ty is going to start Hayward and Marvin. Earl/Tinsley/Foye/Burks/Sap/Kanter is not going to be an effective defensive lineup. We'll get posted to death.
On the flip side, I'd have no problem starting Burks/Hayward, with Foye/Marvin as the backups. But I don't think there's a chance in hell it happens.
billyshelby
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1. I'll believe Marvin can shoot when he proves last season wasn't an outlier. Over the last 4 season, he's a 35% 3 point shooter. And 2 of those years he shot 30 and 33. I'll happily concede last year's 38 gives me hope.
2. "Mismatched" only refers to my presumption Hayward/Marvin start. I don't believe for one second Marvin will come off the bench. And a bench unit that features Foye/Burks at the 2/3 isn't going to work. Hence, mismatched. Burks might surprise, but he's nowhere near big enough (size, not length) to effectively guard the position.
I wanted a 3 who could shoot. Didn't have to be anyone great. The dream scenario was somebody who could effectively play for 18 - 20 minutes. That would leave Hayward/Marvin/Burks to fill in the remaining 76 based on hot hand/matchups. As of now, we've got 4 guys who basically have to average 25.
billyshelby
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He hasn't played any 1 for the last 2 years and his numbers at the position per 82 games in Minny were pretty poor. The one glimmer of hope is he posted solid numbers there in Washington.
As bad offensively as Watson/Tinsley are, I find it doubtful that Foye can play the position better than they can. But I'll guess we'll see.
gregbroncs
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If the offense is run through Hayward/Burks more often this season (as they did with Burks for the SL games down the stretch of at least 2 games) then Foye is really playing SG and guarding PG's. With Burks or Hayward playing PG on offense and SG on defense. I don't see his playmaking as that bad of a deal if the offense is able to run through the SG spot. Foye in that role is far superior to Watson or Tinsley as he's a far better shooter.
billyshelby
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Lot of if's. I've seen absolutely nothing from Ty to indicate he wants to start using 2's to initiate the offense. In summer league, 1's initiated the offense just like we always do.
Burks is the wildcard. If he could make a rapid ascension to competent PG, all problems would melt away. But Hayward certainly can't run a point, and Foye's record shows he's been bad at it. So I'd much rather have a worse offensive PG who can get us into sets, run breaks, run the PnR, and pass off the drive. Both Earl and Tinsley are better at all those things.
Gyp Rosetti
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I bitch and moan with the best of 'em but Jesus Billy, if you're gonna bitch and moan, at least have an alternative in mind. You're obviously not happy with the roster as currently constructed but throw me a bone, us a bone, about who would have tickled your fancy.
billyshelby
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I haven't looked over the rest of the FA market. And I've already made it clear that there are scenarios where the foursome could work. My complaint has more to do with practicality.
There's no reason why we had to lock up Foye now. So all I want to know is what's the plan? He's not really a great fit on paper unless you're going to shake up the 4 in the rotations and/or play either Foye/Burks at the point. Seems like KOC is jumping the gun. But maybe there's a vision I'm not seeing.
Brown Notes
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All he really has to do is bring the ball up the court without turning it over. Foye seems to be a guy that has some propensity to jack up ill conceived shots but if he brings the ball up, dumps it off and moves he will be a significant upgrade over either of the current backup points. Our starting PG didn't log a lot of real point minutes the last several years either. Clearly KOC is not following a model of using a ball dominant playmaker at this position.
billyshelby
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Don't buy it. The PG position is a lot more nuanced. If we use Foye at PG, we'll find out. Probably the hard way, but hopefully I'm wrong.
gregbroncs
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You do realize you can make almost all of these same arguments against Mo Williams as well? He really has not played as a true PG for a while. He was not really the PG for the Cavs and he played a lot of minutes at SG throughout his carreer. Including last season. Hayward could be a SG that can initiate the offense. He can pass off of the dribble, attack the basket, and create his own shot. Burks may even be a better fit at that if he learns to pass it more. I believe both of those players could run the pick and roll.
It seems to me both Foye and Mo give this team something they are missing. And that is an outside shooter to put on the floor with our slasher/playmaker and our bigs. Tinsley and Watson were a problem when on the floor because of their lack of outside shooting threat. Especially Watson who is an absolutely pathetic shooter.
billyshelby
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And I don't buy Mo is going to be a better PG for us. At least not yet. But we'll see. At least he's been successful in that department, if hardly elite.
My 10 cent psychoanalysis is we've been so starved for shooters that any improvement in that department by any player makes everyone think we improved. My opinion is the guys we got have their deficiencies too, and most importantly I'm not seeing how they fit together. Hopefully I'm wrong.
My 10 cent psychoanalysis is we've been so starved for shooters that any improvement in that department by any player makes everyone think we improved. My opinion is the guys we got have their deficiencies too, and most importantly I'm not seeing how they fit together. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Little late to the party here but reading this there was a lot of concern over Foye's size as a SG. He is a solid 6'4".
Other 6'4" SG that are playing major min. in the league right now:
Dwayne Wade
Eric Gordan
Delonte West
Monta Ellis
Tony Allen
Avery Bradley (6'2")
Jodie Meeks
Jason Terry (6'2")
Knowing that Foye is a good defender and a good outside shooter I see no problem with him getting most of his min at the 2. I think this pushes Hayward to play more at the 3 along with Williams.
Another thing that comes to mind is that Marvin came off the bench last year and I could see him doing that this year.
Other 6'4" SG that are playing major min. in the league right now:
Dwayne Wade
Eric Gordan
Delonte West
Monta Ellis
Tony Allen
Avery Bradley (6'2")
Jodie Meeks
Jason Terry (6'2")
Knowing that Foye is a good defender and a good outside shooter I see no problem with him getting most of his min at the 2. I think this pushes Hayward to play more at the 3 along with Williams.
Another thing that comes to mind is that Marvin came off the bench last year and I could see him doing that this year.