Ric Bucher reporting Jazz have signed Randy Foye to a 1-year deal

[fishonjazz]

Hayward along with Favors is the franchise, and you want to bench him? Hayward and Favors need to have as much court time together as possible.

Burks was a rookie who didn't have the benefit of summer league or a real training camp and only two preseason games. I'm guessing he wasn't ready to play big minutes, but as time went on he earned more and more time, and often finished games. Your acting as though this signing means Burks will never get off the bench. My point is if Burks shows he's worthy of extra playing time or starting, then Burks will get his regardless of this signing.


agree

Let me introduce you to ty corbin.

You say if a player deserves minutes he will get them. Remember when favors was our best player and the most likely candidate to be our franchise player? Then remember how favors would get less than 20 minutes per game? Remember when tinsley was outplaying watson, but corbin kept playing watson ahead of tinsley cause watson was more experienced in the jazz system? And again remember when corbin was playing bell (one of the worst players in the league) ahead of burks? I dont care if burks was a raw rookie with no training camp, he was still the better option than bell.

 

[cctrackstar]

Good God if Foye was the starting SG I think I'd puke out my liver.

Putting aside the fact that we fans would like to give our young players playing time, who is better, Foye or Burks? Foye or Hayward? (not talking about potential, talking about right now) Unfortunately the Jazz have about nine players that are worthy of starting minutes on a .500 team. The hard part is going to be determining which of them will -with more time- get the Jazz to a .660 team.

 

[fishonjazz]

Putting aside the fact that we fans would like to give our young players playing time, who is better, Foye or Burks? Foye or Hayward? (not talking about potential, talking about right now) Unfortunately the Jazz have about nine players that are worthy of starting minutes on a .500 team. The hard part is going to be determining which of them will -with more time- get the Jazz to a .660 team.

To me this is an easy issue? Assuming burks, hayward, and foye are all equal and all deserve playing time, you have to play the guys that are under contract for the next few years and are a bigger part of the jazz future. Also you have to play the guys that have potential to improve ALOT. So with foye you have him for 1 year and he has been in the league for long enough that you know what you have.

Easy answer. play burks and hayward majority of minutes.
Now lets see if corbin can figure that out..... I know alot of people on jazzfanz (including me) wanted to see the big lineup (millsap, favors, big al) all year long and corbin didn't use it until the very end of the season. Same with the burks vs bell issue. same with the tinsley vs watson issue. So i dont have alot of confidence in him making the right decision based off his history. (granted his history is a very small sample size.)

 

[write4u]

I have to think the Jazz are going to move Earl now; Earl's kissing up is a sign that he's worried about that, as well. They wouldn't have resigned Tinsley I think if they had plans to add another potential PG. How they do it is the question? But obviously as a piece with another player, I think, like Al, Sap, or even Kanter.

 

[SojoDave]

HELLO CHAMPIONSHIP!!! With all cynicism aside, I actually like the move. Foye is a great pick up who can play both positions. I'm pretty sure it's a safe bet that Mo Williams won't play all 82 games. I think he's great insurance and he can light it up from three. We may not have any all stars, but this could be the deepest Jazz team of all time.

 

[Cope]

I think this definately opens the door for Watson to get traded. I could see him going to the Bulls for a 2nd Round Pick as they need depth until Rose is back. I believe they lost CJ Watson as well so a Vet to hold down the fort is what they may want. I also think we seen enough of our Summer League PG's to have options for a 3rd PG and with Foye/Burks they can play spot minutes if needed and if Williams/Tinsley miss any games.

We should be able to throw out quite a few different lineups so it will be interesting to see how Corbin handles it.

To me, we should have a SOLID 10 man rotation will get the minutes. 240 Minutes to divide up between those 10 doesn't give time for certian players that I would like to see get minutes such as Favors/Burks/Hayward. The only way this happens is if Foye/Burks plays some PG minutes which I can't see happening that much.

 

[Borat]

He's got to be a better sg then Fisher was right?

At least Fish had some veteran leadership and intangibles. I suppose we needed a cheap veteran to back-up Burks or Hayward, so this move was made. Hard to get excited about another back-up scrub being added to the roster.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Good price on Foye if they got him for 2.5. Hello this year's version of Josh Howard.

Foye probably wanted a long-term deal and couldn't find any opportunities. This is what's going to happen under the new CBA. You'll always have guys getting the MAX and bigs being overpaid. But the mid-level players are going to end up with fewer opportunties. Given the choice between a guy at $4-$5M and a rookie to fill out a roster, teams near the tax threshold will take the rookie.

So Foye likely decided his best bet was to go with a 1-yr contract, then see what the market is like next year. No, he's not going to put Utah over the top. But he adds a dimension that neither Watson nor Tinsley have (outside shooting). And he's a decent insurance policy in case of injury.

We're all fretting about PT by assuming all players will be playing in all 82 games. That simply isn't going to happen. The Jazz were remarkably durable last season with Hayward and Kanter playing in all 66 games and four others playing in at least 60. That generally doesn't happen. Most teams have at least one guy go down with a major injury and/or several players missing games here and there. Take away one of the bigs or one of the wings for an extended period of time and there's no problem with playing time.

I don't know what happens with Marvin, Hayward and Alec in terms of starting jobs. I suspect Hayward starts at SG and Marvin at SF. Or perhaps Hayward and Burks start and Marvin comes off the bench. In any case, Burks played 15 mins/per last season. Bump him up to 25 and he'll be ok with that. Gordon played 30, so leave him in the 28-30 range.So if all players are healthy, that works out to Hayward 30, Marvin 25, Burks 25, Foye 16. Matchups or foul trouble may cause some to have their mins bumped up/down accordingly. And if someone is out, then you extend the mins. for the other three and only have to rely on Carroll or Murphy for 5-10 (or Mo at SG for 5 and play Watson/Tinsley a little more at PG).

What this does mean is it's highly unlikely Millsap gets any time at SF. But if all are healthy, you have the same situation at the bigs. Everyone gets shorted a few mins per, until a player misses a game due to injury.


We've seen the Jazz in past seasons have to rely on guys like Francisco Elson, Othyus Jeffers, etc. when injuries have taken out starters. This squad, as currently constituted, can withstand the loss of a starter at ANY position without a huge drop-off.

 

[nightmare3983]

I have to think the Jazz are going to move Earl now; Earl's kissing up is a sign that he's worried about that, as well. They wouldn't have resigned Tinsley I think if they had plans to add another potential PG. How they do it is the question? But obviously as a piece with another player, I think, like Al, Sap, or even Kanter.

Wait, so you think that Watson is kissing up to the organization by hanging around the summer league team? Give me a break. That's a ridiculous statement.

 

[oldtimer]

Randy really played well toward the end of the season last year. If he plays like that for us i dont care if he starts over burks or gordon. Those posters who believe gordon is a franchise player are crazy. Gordon has yet to play a full season of good basketball. Those that feel favors could be a franchise player if he keeps developing are astute bball fans.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Wait, so you think that Watson is kissing up to the organization by hanging around the summer league team? Give me a break. That's a ridiculous statement.

Maybe Watson had a meeting with the coaches and KOC in Orlando. Perhaps he requested a trade and/or the Jazz told him they'd try to trade him. Or maybe his name just came up in other talks and they've given him a heads up that a deal might be in the works. Watson was a class act before the grumbling last season. I still consider him one of the good guys in the league and wish him the best whatever the case. At this point, I definitely see Foye as an upgrade, especially with his outside shooting.

 

[nightmare3983]

Maybe Watson had a meeting with the coaches and KOC in Orlando. Perhaps he requested a trade and/or the Jazz told him they'd try to trade him. Or maybe his name just came up in other talks and they've given him a heads up that a deal might be in the works. Watson was a class act before the grumbling last season. I still consider him one of the good guys in the league and wish him the best whatever the case. At this point, I definitely see Foye as an upgrade, especially with his outside shooting.

Agreed.

 

[margodydek]

You guys noticing a trend with these signings? Every move KOC has made this offseason doubled as a huge improvement in both defense and 3 point shooting. Mo, Marvin, and Randy are all stellar defenders (Mo may be a reach, but he's an improvement over Harris), and each one shot near 40% from deep last year.

Also, we now have an incredibly flexible roster. Here's a list of positions and who on our team can, in theory, play that position:

PG: Mo, Earl, Tinsley, Foye (you could even put Hayward or Burks here in a bind)
SG: Hayward, Burks, Foye, Mo, Murphy
SF: Marvin, Hayward, Burks, Millsap, Evans
PF: Favors, Millsap, Evans, Marvin, Al, Enes
C: Al, Favors, Enes

Jazz can either go really big: Foye, Hayward, Millsap, Favors, Al (just one option for a big lineup), or they can go small and play fast: Mo, Burks, Hayward, Marvin (or Paul), Favors.

Throw in the fact that we have like 7 guys on the last year of their deal, and you have to give it up for KOC

 

[utahjazz107]

You guys noticing a trend with these signings? Every move KOC has made this offseason doubled as a huge improvement in both defense and 3 point shooting. Mo, Marvin, and Randy are all stellar defenders (Mo may be a reach, but he's an improvement over Harris), and each one shot near 40% from deep last year.

Also, we now have an incredibly flexible roster. Here's a list of positions and who on our team can, in theory, play that position:

PG: Mo, Earl, Tinsley, Foye (you could even put Hayward or Burks here in a bind)
SG: Hayward, Burks, Foye, Mo, Murphy
SF: Marvin, Hayward, Burks, Millsap, Evans
PF: Favors, Millsap, Evans, Marvin, Al, Enes
C: Al, Favors, Enes

Jazz can either go really big: Foye, Hayward, Millsap, Favors, Al (just one option for a big lineup), or they can go small and play fast: Mo, Burks, Hayward, Marvin (or Paul), Favors.

Throw in the fact that we have like 7 guys on the last year of their deal, and you have to give it up for KOC

Foye is way to undersized to guard a lot of 2's in this league. I'm 100% sure he will play backup PG and some minutes at the 2, that being said I think Watson or Tinsley is going to be traded

 

[addictionary]

Foye is way to undersized to guard a lot of 2's in this league. I'm 100% sure he will play backup PG and some minutes at the 2, that being said I think Watson or Tinsley is going to be traded

So true. Foye sounds like a mid-season trade to me, if Cyrone's info about the rule to forbid trading FA's is not blocking it's way.

 

[margodydek]

Foye is way to undersized to guard a lot of 2's in this league. I'm 100% sure he will play backup PG and some minutes at the 2, that being said I think Watson or Tinsley is going to be traded

You realize Mo Williams played a lot of 2 last year, and the year we made it to the WCF our starting 2 was Derek Fisher? Foye is 6'4, that's on the lower end of starting 2's, but I wouldn't ever hesitate to play him at the 2.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So true. Foye sounds like a mid-season trade to me, if Cyrone's info about the rule to forbid trading FA's is not blocking it's way.

Doubt it. They don't want any salary back for next year, which is why they signed him to the 1 year deal. Trading him would probably mean adding a multi-year contract to the team. I think they are keeping Foye for the entire year.

 

[margodydek]

Heck, I remember in the playoffs last year when Foye shut down Rudy Gay. The guy plays big. I agree that I want him to be our backup PG, but there's no reason he couldn't play the 2.

 

[Stifle Tower]

So true. Foye sounds like a mid-season trade to me, if Cyrone's info about the rule to forbid trading FA's is not blocking it's way.

And that wouldn't be all that bad. We can call teams and say take your choice: Watson, Tinsley or Foye. Likely that a trade would be to an Eastern Conference playoff team and perhaps net us a late 1st.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Mo Williams, Marvin Williams, and Randy Foye combined made more 3-pointers than the entire Jazz team last year.