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fishonjazz said:
Is suicide still selfish if the person has no friends or family at all?

Is it selfish if the suicidal persons friends and family wish he wasn't in thier lives?

Just curious
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Personally, I think so, although I can understand why others might not.

I view life as a gift…who are we to take that away? There is always something positive you can do for somebody, always. Whether that is reciprocated or not is irrelevant, IMO.
 
Hantlers said:
Personally, I think so, although I can understand why others might not.

I view life as a gift…who are we to take that away? There is always something positive you can do for somebody, always. Whether that is reciprocated or not is irrelevant, IMO.
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Quite the selfish viewpoint wanting others you don't know to give to you or humanity.
 
Hantlers said:
Personally, I think so, although I can understand why others might not.

I view life as a gift…who are we to take that away? There is always something positive you can do for somebody, always. Whether that is reciprocated or not is irrelevant, IMO.
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Don't just preach it.
 
Hantlers said:
I view life as a gift…who are we to take that away?
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If some one gives your a crappy gift for your birthday, like an ugly shirt that you don't like, and you throw it away...... does that make you selfish?

To some, the gift of life might be a horrible gift that they don't want and want to throw away..... like a crappy t-shirt
 
fishonjazz said:
If some one gives your a crappy gift for your birthday, like an ugly shirt that you don't like, and you throw it away...... does that make you selfish?

To some, the gift of life might be a horrible gift that they don't want and want to throw away..... like a crappy t-shirt
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See, there's a reason you can't equate life to a crappy t-shirt. I get what you're saying, but it's a straw man, and a poor one at that.
 
Hantlers said:
Personally, I think so, although I can understand why others might not.

I view life as a gift…who are we to take that away? There is always something positive you can do for somebody, always. Whether that is reciprocated or not is irrelevant, IMO.
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Life is a gift? To whom and from whom? A gift to some lucky ovum and sperm?

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, just be aware that some of us have a different view.

And on the subject of selfishness I think more people live selfish lives than die selfish deaths.
 
moevillini said:
Life is a gift? To whom and from whom? A gift to some lucky ovum and sperm?

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, just be aware that some of us have a different view.

And on the subject of selfishness I think more people live selfish lives than die selfish deaths.
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I would suggest that life itself is selfish.
 
The person who is in invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill themself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.”
 
fishonjazz said:
The person who is in invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill themself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.”
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deep
 
Sirkickyass said:
All suicide victims, at some level, want exactly what Williams received over the last 24 hours: confirmation that they will be missed when they are gone.
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You've spoken with these people then, I presume?
 
fishonjazz said:
The person who is in invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill themself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.”
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I love how the people who come across as the dumbest ******* lolgags on this forum tend to be the brightest among us.
 
franklin said:
I love how the people who come across as the dumbest ******* lolgags on this forum tend to be the brightest among us.
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Appreciated...... but I'm near the bottom of the totem pole of intellect on this forum...... and I'm ok with it.
There are a lot of smart people on this forum, so I don't feel bad that I'm not one of the smartest. I do think that I try to be one of the nicest, and do pretty good for the most part, though I have my struggles now and then.

I actually plagiarized that post of mine that you quoted.

Im not much of a writer or deep thinker like a lot of amazing people on this forum are
 
Gameface said:
I think he made a solid point.
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By implying that I wanted something from somebody? By implying that giving means giving some type of possession (money, clothes, etc).

Heck, give a smile, give a kind word. It makes a difference. It's helped me on my bad days when some stranger randomly just gives you a big smile. But I suppose that was selfish of them to do so.
 
fishonjazz said:
Appreciated...... but I'm near the bottom of the totem pole of intellect on this forum...... and I'm ok with it.
There are a lot of smart people on this forum, so I don't feel bad that I'm not one of the smartest. I do think that I try to be one of the nicest, and do pretty good for the most part, though I have my struggles now and then.

I actually plagiarized that post of mine that you quoted.

Im not much of a writer or deep thinker like a lot of amazing people on this forum are
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Be humble if you want but you're not fooling anyone.
 
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