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Rubio traded to Jazz

Thee jazz fan said:
U must not be old enough to have watched Stockton play? Tell me if I'm wrong. He was a dead eye from three and midrange and even though he was 6-1 he was probably as good at finishing at the rim as IT for Boston. He just preferred to set up his teamates, but when the jazz needed him to he would often openly look to score and take over a game that way. Just watch the last 5 or so minutes of the "Stockton sends the Utah jazz to the NBA finals" game. He took over that game on offense. He could've been a 20pt+ scorer for his career if he had wanted to.
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Stockton was a crap 3 pt shooter until he was 27. Before 89-90 his 3p% was .182, .133, .179, .358, .242
 
♪alt13 said:
Stockton was a crap 3 pt shooter until he was 27. Before 89-90 his 3p% was .182, .133, .179, .358, .242
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Nah, trade Stockton, he sucks. We put 5 years into a guy that cant shoot and is barely a starter. Its time to move on am I right? I mean he is okay but we will just be an average team with an undersized pg that isnt that athletic and cant shoot. We cant afford to pay him much. Maybe if he is our backup for cheap we should keep him.
 
It happens! Great! I just don't think it's smart to assume the exceptions that prove the rule occur, but **** me I guess.

Also, era is a thing. There were very few high-percentage 3-point shooters back in the day (and the trend of improving shooting league-wide is also a thing, subsequently). Certainly relative to now anyway. Also, if you think Ricky Rubio bears comparison to hall of famers, then great.

Trust me, no one would love for me to be wrong more than me.
 
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dong2ha said:
damn... never knew this. who've thought he would hit the biggest 3 in jazz history?


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Stockton had a funny jumper, especially early on. He kicked his legs up behind himself rather than extending. Doing that adds a hitch. Try it, jump and extend your toes like most shooters do then jump and kick your heels behind you. You will feel a slight jerk doing the second. It is kinda amazing imo that he worked it out and was able to become a good shooter. Reps and reps and reps I guess.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
U must not be old enough to have watched Stockton play? Tell me if I'm wrong. He was a dead eye from three and midrange and even though he was 6-1 he was probably as good at finishing at the rim as IT for Boston. He just preferred to set up his teamates, but when the jazz needed him to he would often openly look to score and take over a game that way. Just watch the last 5 or so minutes of the "Stockton sends the Utah jazz to the NBA finals" game. He took over that game on offense. He could've been a 20pt+ scorer for his career if he had wanted to.
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I said I'm not comparing the two, all I'm saying is assist lead to points. I was fine either way with if we brought Hill back, but he's more of a combo guard than point guard. It was rare to see Hill get 10 assist, but Rubio will have plenty.

I just pulled up a random month (February) and compared the two. In 10 games Hill went 0 out of 10 games with 10 or more assist while Rubio went 8 out of 12. 2 game difference but that's 41 assist to 112.

I should've known better than to bring Stockton into it, but I was only trying to make the point that I feel Rubio brings an aspect we haven't had in a while. A pg who can run the pick and roll, play tough defense, and get others involved. I think every player has something to gain, weather it be more open looks for the shooters like Hood(maybe), Hayward (hopefully) and Ingles (definitely) , or finding Rudy or DFavs(maybe) on the block when they create a create a crease. Something i feel we have lacked in the past.
 
JazzyFresh said:
I said I'm not comparing the two, all I'm saying is assist lead to points. I was fine either way with if we brought Hill back, but he's more of a combo guard than point guard. It was rare to see Hill get 10 assist, but Rubio will have plenty.

I just pulled up a random month (February) and compared the two. In 10 games Hill went 0 out of 10 games with 10 or more assist while Rubio went 8 out of 12. 2 game difference but that's 41 assist to 112.

I should've known better than to bring Stockton into it, but I was only trying to make the point that I feel Rubio brings an aspect we haven't had in a while. A pg who can run the pick and roll, play tough defense, and get others involved. I think every player has something to gain, weather it be more open looks for the shooters like Hood(maybe), Hayward (hopefully) and Ingles (definitely) , or finding Rudy or DFavs(maybe) on the block when they create a create a crease. Something i feel we have lacked in the past.
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Ricky Rubio might actually be exactly what the Jazz need at PG if he can stay healthy.
 
Good points, JazzyFresh and Ellis. On last season's Jazz did Utah need more of a scorer at PG? Yes. Utah had a lot of guys injured. And Hill stepped up. Will the offense be the exact same this year? I hope not. And I think Quin will adapt to the team's strengths.

Rudy has become an unstoppable force on P&R's. Hood hopefully is healthy. Gordon may be able to get more easy looks without having to be the play maker so much. Rubio can push the tempo at times. Not saying Utah will become Houston. But let's put some excitement into the offense. Hill couldn't do that.
 
How many times did we see Rudy under the basket, begging for the ball, only to have the ball handler just shoot it? Rubio will feed Rudy all day. Same goes for Hayward, Hood, Favors, etc. Hell, I'll bet Gordon averages 25 ppg for the Jazz next season. But those lobs tho....

#SaltLobCity
 
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Did not know Rubio and Ingles were teammates? Does anyone know what team they were in together? Was it Barcelona? Sounds like they should have a good chemistry together, right?
 
♪alt13 said:
Stockton was a crap 3 pt shooter until he was 27. Before 89-90 his 3p% was .182, .133, .179, .358, .242
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Stockton might have been a crappy outside shooter for today's standards in his first years, but there were few good outside shooters back then. Besides, he had a very good mid-range game and was a GREAT finisher around the rim - even in his later years, when his athleticism was waning. Rubio, in comparison, has improved from midrange to the point of becoming good but not great, but it is still mediocre and inconsistent from outside. He is truly AWFUL finishing around the rim, though. In other words: if the team needs a basket, it can't count on Rubio to get it.

Just check how AWFUL Rubio is from 0 to 3 feet: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rubiori01.html#shooting::none

Few players in the league fail to reach .500 from 0 to 3 feet. Rubio has reached that mark only once in six seasons. Truly awful!
 
ghsartin said:
Stockton might have been a crappy outside shooter for today's standards in his first years, but there were few good outside shooters back then. Besides, he had a very good mid-range game and was a GREAT finisher around the rim - even in his later years, when his athleticism was waning. Rubio, in comparison, has improved from midrange to the point of becoming good but not great, but it is still mediocre and inconsistent from outside. He is truly AWFUL finishing around the rim, though. In other words: if the team needs a basket, it can't count on Rubio to get it.

Just check how AWFUL Rubio is from 0 to 3 feet: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rubiori01.html#shooting::none

Few players in the league fail to reach .500 from 0 to 3 feet. Rubio has reached that mark only once in six seasons. Truly awful!
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True, but he gets to the line a lot and shoots 85%. He doesn't have enough strength or explosiveness to finish a lot of and1's, which would help that close FG%.
 
Jazz4ever said:
True, but he gets to the line a lot and shoots 85%. He doesn't have enough strength or explosiveness to finish a lot of and1's, which would help that close FG%.
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If you look at the game where he scored 27 on Utah, at one point early in the game he attempts to go against Diaw 1-on-1 at the rim. Boris blocks his shot. So yeah, not someone who is going to finish in traffic.
 
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