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Rudy DPOY - Sam Amick is dead to me

Drummond blows. Not sure of his contract situation but I'd ship his *** out of Detroit while he has good value. Rudy does not blow.
 
#1. Rudy is in another league. ANY team in the league that needed more defense and had a choice between Rudy or Draymond - 29 out of 29 teams are picking Rudy. He totally changes the way that teams approach their offense. They play around him. Kwahi Leonard and Draymond are absolutely terrific at guarding their man - no doubt they shut him down whoever it is. Rudy shuts down the paint. His presence alone does what most teams try to get their 5 players to do. He takes floor space away from 5 opposing players, it's not even close.

#2. Kwahi won't get the MVP this year. He SHOULD. He has been the best player on the team with the best record. His consolation prize will be the Finals MVP trophy (again). Spurs over Cavs in 5. It's going to be a slaughter. Spurs suffer from much of the same small market prejudice that the Jazz do, they have the best record in the league and no one is talking about them. They will play with a chip on their shoulder, and it will be beautiful to behold.

#3. The MVP is going to be largely a 30/30/20/10 split between Westbrook ,Harden, Lebron and Kwahi. Westbrook will get it. Harden doesn't play defense ever, while Westbrook sometimes does, and sometimes does well. Also, how do you not give it to the guy who just broke the all-time triple doubles record?! (

#4. NBA post season awards are total B.S.!! Malone should have had 3-4 more MVP awards (92-93, 94-95, 97-98 seasons), and seriously one of those could have gone to John Stockton as well. How in the hell, does the NBA give back to back MVP awards to Steve (No D) Nash on the grounds that he makes his teammates so much better, but Stockton who averaged similar points, more assists, more steals, and higher win% never even came close to sniffing an MVP award!??? Not to mention Andrei Kirilenko only won DPOY once, when in reality he was the best defensive player in the NBA for 3-5 years. Which brings me to Jerry Sloan, who never won Coach of the Year. If that doesn't tell you how meaningless these awards are - maybe this will help.... Coaches who did win the COY - Mike Brown, Byron Scott, Sam Mitchell, Avery Johnson, Mike Dunleavy, Del Harris, etc.

#5. Rudy will most likely be the center on the all-NBA first team, he will likely come in 2nd or 3rd for DPOY, and likely come in 2nd or 3rd for most improved player - we are extremely lucky to have him. He's 24 years old. Can't wait to watch him grow in the playoffs.
 
veji1 said:
advanced stats aren't all there is... record matters as well.
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Actually record should matter very little.

If you switched the teams that Rudy and draymond play for then suddenly Rudy's team would have a much better record than draymond team.
 
fishonjazz said:
Actually record should matter very little.

If you switched the teams that Rudy and draymond play for then suddenly Rudy's team would have a much better record than draymond team.
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They could easily go 82-0.


Edit: I thought we are adding Rudy to GSW. The the line-up would be Gobert-Green-Durant-Thompson-Curry. They would make Silver close shop since there would be no excitement left. If we are trading Green and Gobert, then it would limit ball distribution and three point threat of the Warriors which Kerr would despise. I bet Kerr is OK with starting a slightly below average rim protector instead of giving up on one of the four.
 
I think people are way underestimating draymond. He's the most versatile defender in the league, and has some of the best defensive positioning too. He's always in the right place.

Gobert is the best in the league at what he does. There shouldn't be any question about that. But there are things that he can't do, and some teams can exploit that. Simmons was talking about how gobert had trouble with five out lineups the celtics put out.

In short, both are generational defensive standout players, and both deserve dpoy. The jazz fan in me says gobert should win, but draymond is perfectly deserving too.


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Saint Cy of JFC said:
And Gobert doesnt crush guards. I think we all remember Seth Curry taking him to school in the Dallas loss where they isolated him twice in a row on switches towards the end of the game and he got fairly easy layups out of it.

I'd still have Gobert #1 though, partially because of all the injuries to key defensive pieces for Utah (Favors and Hill).
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if we're gonna pull out examples i almost remember him icing out Kyrie on the perimeter too.
 
Stoked said:
Yes. Rudy, Curry, Thompson and Durant would have a better record than Draymond, Hayward and Hill.
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Of course, the question is would those Warriors have a better record than the one current warriors have, and same for the Jazz. We don't know at all.
 
fishonjazz said:
Actually record should matter very little.

If you switched the teams that Rudy and draymond play for then suddenly Rudy's team would have a much better record than draymond team.
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veji1 said:
Of course, the question is would those Warriors have a better record than the one current warriors have, and same for the Jazz. We don't know at all.
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That's not how I read that at all. I read it as switching Gobert onto a team with 3 top 25 players and suddenly his team has a better record than the Jazz with Draymond.
 
Stoked said:
That's not how I read that at all. I read it as switching Gobert onto a team with 3 top 25 players and suddenly his team has a better record than the Jazz with Draymond.
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Yep. That's what I was saying.
I wasn't saying that Gobert on the warriors is a better team than draymond on the warriors. That is impossible to really know or project.

I was saying that if gobert was on the warriors and green was on the jazz then the warriors would still have a better record than the jazz cause the warriors have a better roster than the jazz regardless of Gobert or green and that's why team record shouldn't determine who the better defender of the two is.
Gobert has no control over having hill and Hayward rather than durant, steph, and klay.
 
Also another bias for GSW (true or not up to you) is that if you were to ask national media and fans about the rest of GSW's roster to the Jazz' I bet they would say 3 maybe 4 players are better defensively before getting to their fist Jazz player.

What I mean is they will say Green is better defensively, same for Iggy, Thompson and maybe even Durant, before even getting to Gobert and Hill and Hayward.

Heck Sam even gave Green more credit since Durant went down.

So using this logic against them, first that means Green is surrounded by 2-3 better defenders than anyone on the Jazz and second if you give Green credit then you should (but they aren't) giving Gobert any for Favors, Hill and Hayward all missing time.
 
Put Rudy on the Warriors, they go 82-0. Put Rudy on the Cavs, they don't go 82-0, but they sweep a healthy GSW team in the finals.
 
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