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Favors has great hands.
He has OK hands. The stats don't show all his missed pass catches as Favors' turnovers. He's had a ton of catchable passes lost this season. He flails his arms up about 2/3 the way in frustration and apology to his teammates quite often.
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Why argue with the truth? It's not irrational what I say; it's fact. You're just letting your irrational AK hate cloud your memory.
This is what I recall the dispute to be about. I don't think Jackson wanted to start over Stockton. He wanted a more up-tempo, improvisational style. And I do recall the talk about oops, which Jackson really had a knack for, and which Sloan saw as showboating (which was why he needed to retire), which was why Stockton didn't do it that much. Send Mark a message and ask him -- he's on twitter and on the air, so you probably can reach him. And I did read that AK supported that. I really still believe that Sloan stymied AK. If you watched him play with the Russian teams that gave him more freedom, he was a much better player -- even after the meltdown when he cried and went on that horrendous shooting slump, he won the Eurobasket MVP. That year included Gasol and Dirk in their primes, so it's not like there were no other good players.
This is what I recall the dispute to be about. I don't think Jackson wanted to start over Stockton. He wanted a more up-tempo, improvisational style. And I do recall the talk about oops, which Jackson really had a knack for, and which Sloan saw as showboating (which was why he needed to retire), which was why Stockton didn't do it that much. Send Mark a message and ask him -- he's on twitter and on the air, so you probably can reach him. And I did read that AK supported that. I really still believe that Sloan stymied AK. If you watched him play with the Russian teams that gave him more freedom, he was a much better player -- even after the meltdown when he cried and went on that horrendous shooting slump, he won the Eurobasket MVP. That year included Gasol and Dirk in their primes, so it's not like there were no other good players.
There is no such thing as "irrational AK hate" only irrational AK homerism which you wear like a damn cape with your tinfoil hat.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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You have beat this horse into the ground, the flesh has rotted away, and the bones are not intact, but pounding the ground continues.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I don't think you're correct.
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He wanted a style where he felt he could be the leader. It is B.S. to say that he didn't think he should be leading the team.
Good summary:
https://jazzbasketball.wordpress.com/2014/01/09/jazz-mythbusters-mark-jackson-vs-john-stocktons/
Mark Jackson is a ****ing bitch. And IMO, anyone who defends him can join him in that camp.
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Good analogy, but Eaton had flyswatters for hands. His hands are surprisingly small for how big he is. I shook his hand once and was surprised. Stockton has bear mitts.
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A much larger pool of candidates from all over the world. Some improvements in sports and nutrition science. Much better incentives for top athletes to try to make the NBA.
He's probably correct.
I think that, if you're any given individual, and there's a line in the sand with John, Karl, and Jerry on one side and Mark Jackson and John Amaechi on the other, your choice would be quite telling.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Other players and coaches have talked about how that was the toughest year of his career because Jackson openly tried to turn the locker room against him, because he wanted to start, but let's call u right anyway even though it was between Stockton and Jackson and not Jackson vs Sloan. Go back to wherever u came from.
Sure AK won his national team MVP or whatever. AK was still an nba player who belonged in that league playing with less talented players in Russia or whatever, fabulous argument buddy.
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Fact is AK was a me first player, who because he wasn't given the role he wanted he cried and gave up on his team and that is very evident watching him play if u can call what he did playing.
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I read the link -- very interesting. But I watched all those games too. If you read between the lines -- this is what Jackson said that I agree with, didn't agree with the way Sloan coached at that time. I definitely recall the mention of the oop and Sloan not liking and that was part of Jackson's style / leadership, and there was mention of AK being someone who would benefit from that. I can only say it was hearsay, something one of the commentators mentioned that AK was in Jackson's camp. If you noticed, he is not mentioned as being on one side or the other. So, while all you Sloan lovers (and I'm not a hater) might disagree, I think Jackson had some good points to make. Why beat a dead horse: this is my opinion, and you can have yours.
It is. Try and remember some of the rotation players from back then who erent stars. Many of them wouldnt make current NBA
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Amaechi and Stevenson were pawns in Jackson's little coup.
Sound familiar?:
http://www.warriorsworld.net/2014/05/07/gods-devils-and-dysfunction-the-truth-about-mark-jackson/
"Jackson, in conjunction with Lindsey Hunter and Pete Myers, worked to create false enemies within the Warriors organization as a means to motivate his players and provide built-in excuses if he failed."
Mark Jackson is a cancer. Same thing when he was coaching the warriors. There is a rumor he could be the next coach for the Knicks. Probably the only team dysfunctional at this point to bring him in. It isn't that he just tried to make a few tweaks to tempo or add oops. If you believe that, you are an idiot. His history speaks loud and clear.
The rumor is the locker room B.S. caused #12 to retire. Which means we may have had another season of watching him play. It obviously bugged Stock enough to make a reference to it in his book. Mark Jackson is anathema to a true Jazz fan.
https://www.si.com/nba/2015/02/20/g...ay-thompson-joe-lacob?page=4&devicetype=phone
Another article with snippets on Jackson pitting players against each other.
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Joe Bagadonuts
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I don't think the incentives are really any different. The reward for making it to the NBA was unimaginably large for most young kids then, and it's still unimaginably large. I don't disagree that the average athlete might be a little bit better, but I strongly disagree with the "much better" statement. I think that most of the stars of the 80's would be very relevant, and likely stars, in today's NBA.
When I think of the 80's I think of Magic, Malone (Moses and Karl), Erving, Jabar, Bird, Jordan, Thomas, Stockton, Wilkins, Hakeem...
Players today aren't "much better" than any of these guys.
Right. But the average NBA player is probably considerably better now. Much more competition for about the same number of positions.