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Not really. Lots of us have made this comment over the past few years. It would change Rudy's game dramatically to have even a few little moves around the basket rather than just put his head down and flail his arms in the general direction of the basket.
 
What are you panzies going on about?

Rudy simply said the team including himself needs to work on including the lob which worked so well last season.

Whats so bad?
 
Here are my thoughts, though I’d certainly like to distance them from the backdrop of the more extreme statements. Qualify this by saying I don’t think it’s a big deal, but it’s a small variable that’s there in the background:

This was Gobert’s team. When he signed his extension and then Hayward waffles on his, Hayward went into a shell for a few weeks and Gobert exploded. I felt it was clear he was saying this was his team and sending a message. Then we had some success, ended lob-city, and essentially the entire fan base went into Stayward mode. Gobert was the backbone of the team and then the snake getting all the attention snaked us in the ***. Enter Donovan. Donovan comes in and near immediately fills the Hayward void. The team still struggles, though, and it’s not until Gobert’s return that he puts the team on his back and propels a historic come back to return to the playoffs and oust OKC. All the while, Donovan is the face of the franchise nationally. That summer, Donovan starts to increase his brand recognition, make many media appearances, and represent the league, rather than just the Jazz.

Fast forward to last year and Rudy is snubbed from the all-star game. Donovan tweets out how it’s okay because they were both snubbed (something like that), and Gobert may feel that Donovan may not fully understand and that DM hadn’t fully paid his dues like Rudy had.

You now have a team that can only go as far as it can go on the back of Rudy as the foundation piece, yet there’s no national media on him. Donovan having a breakout year and attracting media attention nationally, while the team has some struggles that, in some part, is due to not having the offense fully utilize Rudy. Injuries to Steph and other guards means DM may be lock for all-star, while Gobert may again be snubbed. There may be a small part of Gobert that feels all his hard work and recognition is absorbed up in the national attention of Donovan without anyone seeing Gobert as the driving force behind a lot of it, and Donovan not showing as much awareness of that but continuing to promote his brand.

As an analogy, it’s like they’re in a band, and Gobert has written the music and the lyrics, but Donovan sings as is front and center, and everyone’s pushing a solo career, not realizing that Rudy is the one behind the music they love.

Anyway, I’ll again qualify that I don’t believe this is a big thing. Both guys want to win. But I believe at some level these thoughts exist — have existed — and this is nothing new.
 
Here are my thoughts, though I’d certainly like to distance them from the backdrop of the more extreme statements. Qualify this by saying I don’t think it’s a big deal, but it’s a small variable that’s there in the background:

This was Gobert’s team. When he signed his extension and then Hayward waffles on his, Hayward went into a shell for a few weeks and Gobert exploded. I felt it was clear he was saying this was his team and sending a message. Then we had some success, ended lob-city, and essentially the entire fan base went into Stayward mode. Gobert was the backbone of the team and then the snake getting all the attention snaked us in the ***. Enter Donovan. Donovan comes in and near immediately fills the Hayward void. The team still struggles, though, and it’s not until Gobert’s return that he puts the team on his back and propels a historic come back to return to the playoffs and oust OKC. All the while, Donovan is the face of the franchise nationally. That summer, Donovan starts to increase his brand recognition, make many media appearances, and represent the league, rather than just the Jazz.

Fast forward to last year and Rudy is snubbed from the all-star game. Donovan tweets out how it’s okay because they were both snubbed (something like that), and Gobert may feel that Donovan may not fully understand and that DM hadn’t fully paid his dues like Rudy had.

You now have a team that can only go as far as it can go on the back of Rudy as the foundation piece, yet there’s no national media on him. Donovan having a breakout year and attracting media attention nationally, while the team has some struggles that, in some part, is due to not having the offense fully utilize Rudy. Injuries to Steph and other guards means DM may be lock for all-star, while Gobert may again be snubbed. There may be a small part of Gobert that feels all his hard work and recognition is absorbed up in the national attention of Donovan without anyone seeing Gobert as the driving force behind a lot of it, and Donovan not showing as much awareness of that but continuing to promote his brand.

As an analogy, it’s like they’re in a band, and Gobert has written the music and the lyrics, but Donovan sings as is front and center, and everyone’s pushing a solo career, not realizing that Rudy is the one behind the music they love.

Anyway, I’ll again qualify that I don’t believe this is a big thing. Both guys want to win. But I believe at some level these thoughts exist — have existed — and this is nothing new.

Good post and some of the responsibility of getting Gobert the respect that he deserves, falls on Quin. He needs to call plays for Gobert on last shot opportunities. Put the ball in driving Mitchell's hands and roll or lob it to Gobert. He deserves to be that go to guy once in awhile.
 
What are you panzies going on about?

Rudy simply said the team including himself needs to work on including the lob which worked so well last season.

Whats so bad?
The media part mainly.

Here are my thoughts, though I’d certainly like to distance them from the backdrop of the more extreme statements. Qualify this by saying I don’t think it’s a big deal, but it’s a small variable that’s there in the background:

This was Gobert’s team. When he signed his extension and then Hayward waffles on his, Hayward went into a shell for a few weeks and Gobert exploded. I felt it was clear he was saying this was his team and sending a message. Then we had some success, ended lob-city, and essentially the entire fan base went into Stayward mode. Gobert was the backbone of the team and then the snake getting all the attention snaked us in the ***. Enter Donovan. Donovan comes in and near immediately fills the Hayward void. The team still struggles, though, and it’s not until Gobert’s return that he puts the team on his back and propels a historic come back to return to the playoffs and oust OKC. All the while, Donovan is the face of the franchise nationally. That summer, Donovan starts to increase his brand recognition, make many media appearances, and represent the league, rather than just the Jazz.

Fast forward to last year and Rudy is snubbed from the all-star game. Donovan tweets out how it’s okay because they were both snubbed (something like that), and Gobert may feel that Donovan may not fully understand and that DM hadn’t fully paid his dues like Rudy had.

You now have a team that can only go as far as it can go on the back of Rudy as the foundation piece, yet there’s no national media on him. Donovan having a breakout year and attracting media attention nationally, while the team has some struggles that, in some part, is due to not having the offense fully utilize Rudy. Injuries to Steph and other guards means DM may be lock for all-star, while Gobert may again be snubbed. There may be a small part of Gobert that feels all his hard work and recognition is absorbed up in the national attention of Donovan without anyone seeing Gobert as the driving force behind a lot of it, and Donovan not showing as much awareness of that but continuing to promote his brand.

As an analogy, it’s like they’re in a band, and Gobert has written the music and the lyrics, but Donovan sings as is front and center, and everyone’s pushing a solo career, not realizing that Rudy is the one behind the music they love.

Anyway, I’ll again qualify that I don’t believe this is a big thing. Both guys want to win. But I believe at some level these thoughts exist — have existed — and this is nothing new.
Oh these thoughts exist, because they even exist within us lol. These thoughts have 110% rightfully crossed Rudy's mind. Donovan now has a bridge and a sock store in SLC. Donovan gets the lions share of the attention from the media and fanbase. I get why Rudy may have these thoughts, I just don't really like the comments to Andy so he can print them and they then end up not looking great. A few national sources posted about these comments. The thing is, Donovan has brought that attention to the team because of his marketability, and he needs to build his brand as high as he can go. As for the All Star game, I still think Donovan has a tough time making it but seeing Rudy's competition it will be tough for him especially if he doesn't have the points I agree with him. I will say I think if Rudy gets snubbed for the AS game again there's a pretty decent chance that will be the straw that breaks the camels back in losing him. I think Rudy making the AS team is actually very important because of how obviously important it is to him.

I get where the guy is coming from, and while I don't think he's underappreciated, I do think he's under-loved. Winning. Winning will solve everything.
 
The media part mainly.


Oh these thoughts exist, because they even exist within us lol. These thoughts have 110% rightfully crossed Rudy's mind. Donovan now has a bridge and a sock store in SLC. Donovan gets the lions share of the attention from the media and fanbase. I get why Rudy may have these thoughts, I just don't really like the comments to Andy so he can print them and they then end up not looking great. A few national sources posted about these comments. The thing is, Donovan has brought that attention to the team because of his marketability, and he needs to build his brand as high as he can go. As for the All Star game, I still think Donovan has a tough time making it but seeing Rudy's competition it will be tough for him especially if he doesn't have the points I agree with him. I will say I think if Rudy gets snubbed for the AS game again there's a pretty decent chance that will be the straw that breaks the camels back in losing him. I think Rudy making the AS team is actually very important because of how obviously important it is to him.

I get where the guy is coming from, and while I don't think he's underappreciated, I do think he's under-loved. Winning. Winning will solve everything.

Winning does solve everything but Rudy deserves to have a direct effect on wins. Give him last shot opportunities and all will be well.
 
Good post and some of the responsibility of getting Gobert the respect that he deserves, falls on Quin. He needs to call plays for Gobert on last shot opportunities. Put the ball in driving Mitchell's hands and roll or lob it to Gobert. He deserves to be that go to guy once in awhile.
I think as a coach you can try the play but the discretion still has to be for the guy handling the ball. If Donovan drives and doesn't feel comfortable throwing the lob which teams are now focused on, he has to have the choice of what he wants to do. Donovan is given the ball for last shots because he can do the most with it. Idk, I do get what you're saying I just don't know.
 
Winning does solve everything but Rudy deserves to have a direct effect on wins. Give him last shot opportunities and all will be well.
He does have a direct effect on winning. His direct effect is not handling the ball on offense or creating. Making that pass or creating that lob/offense for him is easy to say and complain to the media about, in live game action it's a tough thing to get. Like for instance in Sacramento, could Quin have tried to draw up a lob play for Rudy? Sure, but there's a good chance in that situation the refs aren't going to call holding, or small fouls and you end up with a turn over or no shot. At least with Donovan you can feel pretty comfortable you're going to get a shot at it. I understand what you're saying and Rudy has every right to feel that way, but not to the media, and look a little more smooth on offense before you start complaining you need the ball more.
 
I think as a coach you can try the play but the discretion still has to be for the guy handling the ball. If Donovan drives and doesn't feel comfortable throwing the lob which teams are now focused on, he has to have the choice of what he wants to do. Donovan is given the ball for last shots because he can do the most with it. Idk, I do get what you're saying I just don't know.

Having Rudy take the last shot every now and then probably doesn't give them the best chance to get the W in that game, but it does limit the odds of disenfranchising the team's cornerstone in the long run.
 
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Let's be honest. He is been terrible posting up. We would love he were Hakeem but he doesn't have it. I don't think he could ever develop into an elite post up player to justify the less efficient play in bb. Let him have dunks and lobs at the rim. His teammates need to find him.
He’s not saying he needs the ball in the post, but the lob play, and he’s right!!
 
He does have a direct effect on winning. His direct effect is not handling the ball on offense or creating. Making that pass or creating that lob/offense for him is easy to say and complain to the media about, in live game action it's a tough thing to get. Like for instance in Sacramento, could Quin have tried to draw up a lob play for Rudy? Sure, but there's a good chance in that situation the refs aren't going to call holding, or small fouls and you end up with a turn over or no shot. At least with Donovan you can feel pretty comfortable you're going to get a shot at it. I understand what you're saying and Rudy has every right to feel that way, but not to the media, and look a little more smooth on offense before you start complaining you need the ball more.

The guy making the game winner gets the attention. Rudy is the most important player on the team so he deserves some glory once in a while. This is on Quin to make him shine at the end of a game.
 
Having Rudy take the last shot every now and then probably doesn't give them the best chance to get the W in that game, but it does limit the odds of disenfranchising the team's cornerstone in the long run.
Again, I agree, but not wanting to go with the play and player that gives you the highest probability of winning goes against everything Rudy has said before.
 
The guy making the game winner gets the attention. Rudy is the most important player on the team so he deserves some glory once in a while. This is on Quin to make him shine at the end of a game.
I get that, and I'm fine with it, but I really do feel like right now is not the time. Not in a season that has been propped up as what should be the best since Stockton and Malone. Just winning games should be the motive right now. I'm not saying Rudy is at all wrong for wanting shine, just go about it differently.
 
Here are my thoughts, though I’d certainly like to distance them from the backdrop of the more extreme statements. Qualify this by saying I don’t think it’s a big deal, but it’s a small variable that’s there in the background:

This was Gobert’s team. When he signed his extension and then Hayward waffles on his, Hayward went into a shell for a few weeks and Gobert exploded. I felt it was clear he was saying this was his team and sending a message. Then we had some success, ended lob-city, and essentially the entire fan base went into Stayward mode. Gobert was the backbone of the team and then the snake getting all the attention snaked us in the ***. Enter Donovan. Donovan comes in and near immediately fills the Hayward void. The team still struggles, though, and it’s not until Gobert’s return that he puts the team on his back and propels a historic come back to return to the playoffs and oust OKC. All the while, Donovan is the face of the franchise nationally. That summer, Donovan starts to increase his brand recognition, make many media appearances, and represent the league, rather than just the Jazz.

Fast forward to last year and Rudy is snubbed from the all-star game. Donovan tweets out how it’s okay because they were both snubbed (something like that), and Gobert may feel that Donovan may not fully understand and that DM hadn’t fully paid his dues like Rudy had.

You now have a team that can only go as far as it can go on the back of Rudy as the foundation piece, yet there’s no national media on him. Donovan having a breakout year and attracting media attention nationally, while the team has some struggles that, in some part, is due to not having the offense fully utilize Rudy. Injuries to Steph and other guards means DM may be lock for all-star, while Gobert may again be snubbed. There may be a small part of Gobert that feels all his hard work and recognition is absorbed up in the national attention of Donovan without anyone seeing Gobert as the driving force behind a lot of it, and Donovan not showing as much awareness of that but continuing to promote his brand.

As an analogy, it’s like they’re in a band, and Gobert has written the music and the lyrics, but Donovan sings as is front and center, and everyone’s pushing a solo career, not realizing that Rudy is the one behind the music they love.

Anyway, I’ll again qualify that I don’t believe this is a big thing. Both guys want to win. But I believe at some level these thoughts exist — have existed — and this is nothing new.

Nailed it.
 
Good post and some of the responsibility of getting Gobert the respect that he deserves, falls on Quin. He needs to call plays for Gobert on last shot opportunities. Put the ball in driving Mitchell's hands and roll or lob it to Gobert. He deserves to be that go to guy once in awhile.

Put the ball in Gobert’s hands on last shot opportunities? Why? The guy has no moves or shot.
 
Again, I agree, but not wanting to go with the play and player that gives you the highest probability of winning goes against everything Rudy has said before.

This is out of character for Rudy so something must be brewing for him to make a public comment like this.

And sure Rudy doesn't give the highest likelihood of a last second bucket, but if Quin showed a willingness to go to Rudy in that situation, it would only open up the lane further for Mitchell in the future. Even Rudy would get behind that!
 
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