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Rumor: Jazz prepared to match 'any offer' for Hayward.

sojodave said:
David Locke should be Haywards agent. The guy just spews Gordon love every chance he gets. He keeps repeating that no other player besides Maravich has averaged 16, 5, & 5. Those are terrible numbers if you considered the amount of touches he got last year. There is no way he will get those numbers going forward. How can you give a huge contract to someone who is going to average less than 14 ppg.
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I disagree. I listen to Locke's podcast every day. I find him to be pretty honest and open in his evaluations of Jazz players.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Parsons averaged like 19ppg in the 9 games Harden missed last year. Clearly hes a better shooter than Hayward

Hayward is more versatile (though Parsons is well above average at SF, with 4 assists per), Gordon looks to dribble more.
Parsons looks to shoot. The Jazz dont NEED Haywards playmaking anymore though, they have other viable options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwZdoevq3E4
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9 games is a small sample. Do you think he'd keep up that production over 82 games?
 
The Pearl said:
Ariza is 29. Hayward is 24. By the time Jazz need somebody at that position to be really good, Ariza will be out of the league.
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What about Defense?

Whos guarding the best offensive player on the other team with the way the roster is constructed currently?

Mike Harris was guarding Kevin Durant to start the season last year..

you're ok with that?

Call me crazy but I think the Jazz have a deficiency in perimeter defense, the stats affirm this.

Many wanted to target a Defensive minded Forward at pick #5.

He just turned 29, days ago. A 3 year deal is fine, he just had his best year and would be the only player on the Jazz with championship experience.

41% from 3 on 5.7 attempts, he'd lead the Jazz in steals, and brings plenty of toughness.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
9 games is a small sample. Do you think he'd keep up that production over 82 games?
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Yes, 9 games is a small sample. Yet others argue that Hayward's performance over the last 82 games is an outlier. Hayward isn't the answer to this team's woes and he shouldn't be paid like he is. He is a very good role player, so pay him like a role player and not as a future all-star.
 
sarcasm and hyperbole

jimmy eat jazz said:
I don't quite follow the logic asserting that if the Millers give Lucas and Clarke max deals it won't have any bearing on wins or losses. I can't see any realistic or even half-baked scenario in which this is the case. Am I being thick, or is a very, very questionable assertion?
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Look at context, it was in response to the proposition that fans have no business being concerned about how much money the Millers spend on players. It is irrelevant to us and none of our business. I was using sarcasm and hyperbole to reply to this proposition. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Parsons averaged like 19ppg in the 9 games Harden missed last year. Clearly hes a better shooter than Hayward

Hayward is more versatile (though Parsons is well above average at SF, with 4 assists per), Gordon looks to dribble more.
Parsons looks to shoot. The Jazz dont NEED Haywards playmaking anymore though, they have other viable options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwZdoevq3E4
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Hayward looking to dribble more may have been a product of coaching though. Snyder is going to want to space the floor more and get up more shots.

Hayward is going to have his best year thus far next year.
 
DraftExpress is doing FA videos for the top FA in this year's class. Surely they will do one on Hayward and Ariza. Will be interesting to see what he says. I hope we can get both and trade Burks for assets.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
What about Defense?

Whos guarding the best offensive player on the other team with the way the roster is constructed currently?

Mike Harris was guarding Kevin Durant to start the season last year..

you're ok with that?

Call me crazy but I think the Jazz have a deficiency in perimeter defense, the stats affirm this.

Many wanted to target a Defensive minded Forward at pick #5.

He just turned 29, days ago. A 3 year deal is fine, he just had his best year and would be the only player on the Jazz with championship experience.

41% from 3 on 5.7 attempts, he'd lead the Jazz in steals, and brings plenty of toughness.
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Short-term solution to a long-range problem. Renting Ariza for three years is a complete waste of time and resources.
 
Criticizing Hayward's ability to dribble penetrate and pass off the dribble is beyond idiotic considering the Spurs just won the Championship and the Jazz just hired a Spur's offspring. I am sure it is not lost on DL and QS that Hayward has a bit of Manu in his DNA.

I don't think ole Gordo is going to be told to go stand in the corner and wait for the ball and hoist up jumpers.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
DraftExpress is doing FA videos for the top FA in this year's class. Surely they will do one on Hayward and Ariza. Will be interesting to see what he says. I hope we can get both and trade Burks for assets.
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leave burks alone

go and watch oj mayo's milwakee and a gordon's orlando
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Yes. Thats why id rather have him than Hayward :P

47% FG's and 37% from 3 > 41% and 30%

Hayward shot the %'s of a guy who's shooting coach left the team.. no?
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"whose"

Or he shot like a guy being asked to do everything, including cooking team meals. Before last season, Gordon had averages of 45%/40%. There's a reason he gets invited to US national team basketball camps. WE undervalue him and are quick to throw him away after a tough season. There are a LOT of teams who would love to have Gordon aboard. And I'm going to venture a guess that Snyder's ball motion, up-tempo offense will be more suited to Hayward's game than Corbin's YMCA pick-up game system.
 
Hayward is not a max contract guy. We're all kinda bummed that Paul George is a star and we picked Hayday instead. Hayward's talent is inferior to George but not by too much, and that means the Jazz have almost as good of a player without having to pay the max. Jazz SHOULD save some $ on a almost as good talent. Just don't pay him max. I think he's worth 7M, but he'll get at least 10. Hopefully not much more than that.
 
The Pearl said:
Criticizing Hayward's ability to dribble penetrate and pass off the dribble is beyond idiotic considering the Spurs just won the Championship and the Jazz just hired a Spur's offspring. I am sure it is not lost on DL and QS that Hayward has a bit of Manu in his DNA.

I don't think ole Gordo is going to be told to go stand in the corner and wait for the ball and hoist up jumpers.
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Im not critical of Gordons playmaking its well above average, my issue is paying him a premium contract because of it.

My other issue is that for all the weaknesses of Trey Burke, he did a great job taking care of the ball, I dont mind him handling the ball more. Alec when subbed in needs the ball in his hands a decent amount of time. Dante Exum is more effective with the ball than without it. Rodney Hood was the best pull-up jump shooter in the draft according to DX.

Parsons and Ariza are off the ball players, floor spacers, we need to make room for Exum, Hayward shot 30% from 3 last year I wouldnt take that gamble. If the Jazz are looking for Vets, Ariza's a great one.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Im not critical of Gordons playmaking its well above average, my issue is paying him a premium contract because of it.

My other issue is that for all the weaknesses of Trey Burke, he did a great job taking care of the ball, I dont mind him handling the ball more. Alec when subbed in needs the ball in his hands a decent amount of time. Dante Exum is more effective with the ball than without it. Rodney Hood was the best pull-up jump shooter in the draft according to DX.

Parsons and Ariza are off the ball players, floor spacers, we need to make room for Exum, Hayward shot 30% from 3 last year I wouldnt take that gamble. If the Jazz are looking for Vets, Ariza's a great one.
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Great! I'm all for taking the ball OUT of Hayward's hands. Year before last, he shot 44%/42%. Let him average 16/5/3 on two fewer shots and less touches. Exum and Burks should penetrate and kick the ball out to Gordon. Or Hayward gets his shots in transition. Burke may not turn the ball over, but he doesn't do much with it either. Jazz need to play up-tempo with their young legs, depth and the high altitude of SLC. They should be running teams off the court at home. When Burke plays, I can get up and make a sandwich and not miss a thing offensively.
 
The Pearl said:
Criticizing Hayward's ability to dribble penetrate and pass off the dribble is beyond idiotic considering the Spurs just won the Championship and the Jazz just hired a Spur's offspring. I am sure it is not lost on DL and QS that Hayward has a bit of Manu in his DNA.

I don't think ole Gordo is going to be told to go stand in the corner and wait for the ball and hoist up jumpers.
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I agree with Pearl. Gordon is great because he is a ball mover, as we have recently seen those guys are important. Last year he tried too hard to be a number one guy and I think the contract stuff really hurt him. If we can get an intelligent game plan he can be an important part of what we do. I think he's a great #2 or #3 guy because his skill set compliments a lot of players.

Look at the teams that want the guy... his former college coach and his former shooting coach. They know how to use this guy... Corbin, not so much.
 
Also, Ariza is a fine defensive player, but Gordon is no slouch. I don't see a huge difference. Also, Ariza is almost 30 about time for him to slip.

Unless your perimeter guys are the elite wing defenders (AI, Tony Allen, PG, Lebron... when he needs to be) they don't have a huge effect on opposing stars. Bigs/rim protectors are far more important to team defense.

If you play basketball you understand this. Individually getting past someone is not difficult. If you have a large man waiting for you when you do it makes life terrible.
 
Meeks just got 3 year and 19 M... Hayward will get the max in this market....
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Meeks just got 3 year and 19 M... Hayward will get the max in this market....
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??? Meeks got 16 ppg on 46% FGs and 40% 3pt last. Similar scoring, much better shooting than Hayward, less all around game. $6 million per for him suggests Hayward will get the max? That's a head scratcher.

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