Rumor: Jazz prepared to match 'any offer' for Hayward.
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Haha. Fair enough. At least it isn't our money.
The fact is, there is no way Hayward is going anywhere else. He'd have to give up his huge contract with Bailey's Moving & Storage.
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Well, what is your definition of we. All the fans bitched and booed when Stockton was drafted. I heard so many complaints about Malone from other fans. Mostly due to his off court antics, but I think you are romanticizing the way Utah fans are with prior players.
Edit: While fans didn't bitch about the 2003 team, they didn't support them that well either. I went to more games that year than any other year. Lower bowl tickets were super easy to come by.
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Myself and most of the people i talk to about the jazz love hayward burks trey favors kanter gobert evans and exum
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Only bitching with Malone was when he would play out contract negotiations in the media and complain about being underpaid. Fans may have booed the actual draft of Stockton, but we adored him after that. Locke saying we never liked a player is disingenuous. Abach made a list of recent players. You can add several others to that. I'd say the majority of fans liked Okur and Harpring - except the last couple of seasons when they were hurt. WE adored AK until about 2 years after his MAX contract. I can't COUNT the number of nasty names I was called for suggesting he be traded. And then about a year later, the opinion of the board started to swing 180 degrees on that issue. Locke is an idiot. The fans have liked and supported MAY players over the years. But yes, when we see a player half-assing it on the court, of course we voice our displeasure.
LjJazzman
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Ya, two hall of famers. Anything else isn't good enough.
billyshelby
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I'll take a crack at this, but I defer to GVC's final ruling.
Bird Free Agents can get 5 years at any negotiated salary. The "5 Year Max" thing I think you're talking about only applies to extensions. Like, Paul George was 'designated' allowing Indiana to sign him to a Max Extension before he hit his RFA.
So the Jazz can, theoretically, counter any MAX offer sheet with a 5 year offer to Hayward with a more favorable salary structure to the team. I have no idea why Hayward would agree to that, but they can try.
What are you talking about? Maybe not Stockton except for booing his selection. Malone got a ton of criticism and still does. Hornacek was probably more like Stockton. The thing that upsets me the most about Jazz fans is how they get their feelings hurt if a player leaves. So they boo him for leaving. Instead when former players come back they should be polite and cheer them or ignore them. Booing just makes Jazz fans seem petty. THere are a few exceptions but overall stop whining about players leaving. Locke is a tool and he is paid to be one.
NO under no circumstances do you pursue Stephenson.
I'd rather have Parsons at 10M or 11M than Hayward at 14 or 15M.
I didn't say you did. Some fans have said it. Saying he got picked by the USA team doesn't make him a MAX guy. Some guys on the USA roster team are never going to make the USA team and it has nothing to do with what the Jazz should pay him. This is were we disagree. Hayward is a role player. He is a good one but he is a #3 option guy. I don't want him taking the ball in the last seconds of an important game which is a MAX players job.
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BillyShelby covered this pretty well.
The Jazz can offer Hayward as much as 5 years, with a first year salary (roughly) as high as 1/4 X 42.14/44.74 X the cap (should be $63.2mm), with annual increases or decreases equal to as much as 7.5% of the first year salary.
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Just watched the first half of Indiana's losses @New York and v.Atlanta. Both games were during their 10-13 run to end the season. All the talk about Stephenson being a selfish ball stopper are overblown if these games are indicative of his play. Lance made quick decisions, and the possessions he used seemed to result in better shots than possessions initiated by Paul George, George Hill or Roy Hibbert (those 3 played atrociously during Indiana's slump...somehow this was Lance's fault). Lance communicated well on both sides of the ball (especially on defense), did a really good job picking up a/his man in transition (and, again, communicating defensive responsibilities on the fly), and generally made good decisions on offense. His shot is ugly, but so is Gordo's. I really don't see how Hayward is worth more than Lance based on their actual play.
I don't see Hayward as even a #3 option on a championship squad. I don't care if he goes, only that the Jazz receive something if he does.
There is absolutely no way we should match MAX offer should Hayward get one. The argument whom to spend money on is ridiculous. Haven't we learned anything at all from AK47 fiasco? You cannot overpay players, and Hayward, while a very solid above average player, is nowhere near a difference maker to invest MAX in.
If Exum becomes great, if Kanter develops, Burke and Burkes have good years, they are going to demand significant contracts. Also what if we can trade for a good player in the future using the CAP room. There is absolutely no room to give out overpaid contracts. And MAX for Hayward is WAY overpaid. If Cavs offer it to him, good for them, let them have him. We are not in position to give money away just yet - we don't even have the core established that can win games.
If Exum becomes great, if Kanter develops, Burke and Burkes have good years, they are going to demand significant contracts. Also what if we can trade for a good player in the future using the CAP room. There is absolutely no room to give out overpaid contracts. And MAX for Hayward is WAY overpaid. If Cavs offer it to him, good for them, let them have him. We are not in position to give money away just yet - we don't even have the core established that can win games.
Game6Conley
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I like Stephenson, hes the type of SG that helps you get away with playing a 200lb SF. when most of the Pacers were in a malaise during parts of the playoffs, Lance was on point and very focused.
The biggest thing not to like with Lance to put it bluntly is, hes stupid.. much more so than crazy
There's no contest between his on ball defense and Haywards though. as GVC has already pointed out Lance on the Jazz would probably be the best option to defend most SF's.
Im biased, Ive been following Lance closely since he was a Freshman or Sophomore in HS. Replacing Hayward at lower cost with Lance seems like a pipedream to me personally, almost too good to be true, but it works basketball wise.
I think Utah fans would like him though, he plays hard. I think once he has his contract he might be abit easier to coach, he might have been stat sheet stuffing last year. Hes a very capable starter in this league though, thats been established.
Burks, Exum and Stephenson? the Jazz will slice teams up off the dribble.
The biggest thing not to like with Lance to put it bluntly is, hes stupid.. much more so than crazy
There's no contest between his on ball defense and Haywards though. as GVC has already pointed out Lance on the Jazz would probably be the best option to defend most SF's.
Im biased, Ive been following Lance closely since he was a Freshman or Sophomore in HS. Replacing Hayward at lower cost with Lance seems like a pipedream to me personally, almost too good to be true, but it works basketball wise.
I think Utah fans would like him though, he plays hard. I think once he has his contract he might be abit easier to coach, he might have been stat sheet stuffing last year. Hes a very capable starter in this league though, thats been established.
Burks, Exum and Stephenson? the Jazz will slice teams up off the dribble.
Hayward hate is so funny. People hated on him when he denied the extension saying he would get paid less. Now it turns out he was right, and he is going to get paid a lot more. People now call him out on a lack of loyalty. The dude just made a great business decision. The Cavs are a young team with a lot of potential too, it's not like he is signing to a bottom feeder.
Irving/Wiggins/Hayward is a pretty beast back-court. I hope the Jazz match though.
Irving/Wiggins/Hayward is a pretty beast back-court. I hope the Jazz match though.