Jazz4ever
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Not to mention Hood and Gobert, both could be pretty good in 3-4 years themselves.
Rumor: Jazz prepared to match 'any offer' for Hayward.
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Not to mention Hood and Gobert, both could be pretty good in 3-4 years themselves.
gregbroncs
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Based on their play it's hard to argue Hayward is better than Lance. In fact I don't think he is. It's the other stuff that is a problem. Locker room, distractions, and immaturity on the court, those make him a bigger risk than Hayward.
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I'm iffy on Stephenson. But if it's Lance at 10M or Hayward at MAX, I'm taking Lance.
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Cleveland's belief that Utah will match any Hayward offer sheet is strongly discouraging Cavs from extending one, league sources tell Yahoo.
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Cleveland's belief that Utah will match any Hayward offer sheet is strongly discouraging Cavs from extending one, league sources tell Yahoo.
ijazz
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This could get ugly.
If Jazz scare away all offers saying they will match anything, they better pay him at least 13/year.
Otherwise, if I am Gtime, I accept the 1 year qualifying offer and become an unrestricted FA next summer.
Tough game of poker going on......
Jazz4ever
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If I am Cleveland I am going after Monroe with that money. Varejo will be gone in a year and Tristan Thompson will be wanting big money himself. Not enough ball for Irving, Waiters, Hayward, Wiggins. Who knows though, their front office are morons.
There is no way this happens. Hayward is not going to go into another year where he getting paid 4 million and possibly perform worse than this year. Plus chance injury. Gordon well be signing a contract this summer with the Jazz or someone else. There is zero incentive for him to turn down a huge raise at this point in his carrier. He is going to get in the 13 million range or higher, so why would he even consider this.
gregbroncs
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If they scare away all other offers why would they then offer more than he's worth? He's not taking a 1 year minimum contract. The Jazz would probably accept the same offer they made last summer (whatever that was). There would be 0 incentive to make an offer like you suggest. If he won't sign with the Jazz after not receiving any offers And takes the QO and he pouts and doesn't play hard you bench him. It would just cost him more in the long run to do this. If he takes the QO then the Jazz have more money to go after other players to eventually replace him. Hell they could end up with Parsons and Gordon (unlikely).
l Abach l
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As someone who has been a Jazz fan for 22 years now, it's amazing to see history repeat itself... How many ****** over paid contracts will it take for the Jazz to learn from their mistakes? I have 2 cases.
1) Ostertag - Although his contract wasn't a max (jumped from $640,000 to $4.3 Million after rookie contract ended), this has to be the worst big man signing EVER during the best chance we had to win the finals. Imagine if they DON'T jump the gun and extend Ostertag. There were plenty of FA centers who were more serviceable than him.
2) AK47 - At the time, it seemed like a good idea, right? Put up insane numbers in his contract year (16/6/3/3/2 shooting 54%). I'd say his situation was very similar to Hayward's - #1 option on a stinky *** team, point forward, etc. AK went on to receive the 6 year max (salary went from $1.6M to $11M, climbing to ~$18M) Jazz draft D-Will, sign Memo and Boozer, and become one of the best teams in the West for a fun 3-4 years. I believe that if the jazz aren't locked up in that max deal with AK, they would've contended with the Lakers for a championship in '07-'10. It's those types of ****ty contracts that ruin everything else. Sure at the time AK looked great (I think Mark Cuban offered to trade Dirk for AK straight up at one point) but it was because he was the #1 option on a TERRIBLE team. It's the SAME situation with Hayward. Who knows? Maybe Exum turns out to be an elite PG and burks and Kanter finally come of their own. Maybe we get lucky in the free agency and end up being contenders. The last thing we want is to be impeded by a contract of a wanna be max player.
1) Ostertag - Although his contract wasn't a max (jumped from $640,000 to $4.3 Million after rookie contract ended), this has to be the worst big man signing EVER during the best chance we had to win the finals. Imagine if they DON'T jump the gun and extend Ostertag. There were plenty of FA centers who were more serviceable than him.
2) AK47 - At the time, it seemed like a good idea, right? Put up insane numbers in his contract year (16/6/3/3/2 shooting 54%). I'd say his situation was very similar to Hayward's - #1 option on a stinky *** team, point forward, etc. AK went on to receive the 6 year max (salary went from $1.6M to $11M, climbing to ~$18M) Jazz draft D-Will, sign Memo and Boozer, and become one of the best teams in the West for a fun 3-4 years. I believe that if the jazz aren't locked up in that max deal with AK, they would've contended with the Lakers for a championship in '07-'10. It's those types of ****ty contracts that ruin everything else. Sure at the time AK looked great (I think Mark Cuban offered to trade Dirk for AK straight up at one point) but it was because he was the #1 option on a TERRIBLE team. It's the SAME situation with Hayward. Who knows? Maybe Exum turns out to be an elite PG and burks and Kanter finally come of their own. Maybe we get lucky in the free agency and end up being contenders. The last thing we want is to be impeded by a contract of a wanna be max player.
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seattlejazzfan
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This is all so damn stupid. If putting it out there that they will match any offer will scare teams off from signing your RFA, why wouldn't every team with a RFA say exactly that? Too easy. If you think you can and should attempt to sign a guy, to hell with the 3 day period where you're tied up - make the offer and take your chances. Either that or just get the hell out of the business of signing RFAs.
Stifle Tower
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Is Lance a SF?
We're pretty set at the 1/2 with a rotation of Burke, Burks and Exum.
Stifle Tower
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They do. The market for good RFA's is usually pretty weak. I remember Lakers took a chance with Hibbert by offering him the MAX, which Indiana matched. Cleveland doesn't want their money tied up through July 13th with no ability to go to Plan B. Other FA's aren't going to wait around to be the Cavs' door prize if Utah matches.
This could also be an agent smokescreen. Maybe Bartlestein told Cleveland Hayward would sign an offer sheet if it were for the MAX. Cleveland doesn't want to pay that much. But the leak is that Hayward is discussing a MAX deal with Cleveland (which would technically be correct if Hayward's agent had thrown that number out).
GVC
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Is Hayward a SF? Lance has a larger wingspan, equal standing reach, and is stronger than Gordo.
Stifle Tower
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Pretty sure Hayward got quite a bit of burn at SF at the end of the season. I remember watching him and Alec play together (finally).
No matter, though. Lindsey wants good players who are also seen as team-first, good character guys. Lance ruined his reputation last year. There's no way in hell DL would take a chance on him.
GVC
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I'd rather the FO focus on acquiring talent at a good price instead of signing average starters to max deals because they're clean cut. I wonder what DL would have thought of Karl Malone and his antics?