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Sanders is much better than Hayward

ncoloradojazz said:
Borat is an idiot if he thinks humprhies adn babbit are the same type of player
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Not same exact type, but certainly there are many similarities, plus KHump was a lot younger. Neither guy was good enough to take his team anywhere though. Not even be ranked. Hayward did twice in 2 years and got to NCAA finals in one of them. Not bad, huh?
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
They where all better College players than Dwill though, Dwill was the clear cut better Pro prospect though, no one argued that.
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That's what the sports writers who vote for all-americans thought, but I don't think there was a single coach in the Big 10 who agreed. Certainly not his own coach. For years Weber refused to get involved in any discussions about which players were better than others, but toward the end he got so disgusted with seein Deron under-rated that he came out publicly and said Deron was the best player on the team (or sumthin similar).
 
Hopper said:
Happened with Deron, eh, Glass? Dee Brown was named the player of the year by Sporting News, and I think he was also named Big 10 player of the year, with Deron on the team. If I recall correctly, Brown was first team all-american and Luther Head, another one of Deron's teammates was named to the second team. Deron was 3rd team, or mebbe honorable mention, I forget.
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I did not provide 2 different rankings that he was best player at #2 team in NCAA plus the opinion of the gold winning team USA coach that Hayward was the best player there as a hard proof he is necessarily better than Mack, but as a proof he was certainly a difference maker during his NCAA career. Unlike Babbit.
 
oldtimer said:
Since my first post went over so well I thought I try another. Hayward at best is a bench role player that might get the Jazz 20 minutes and at his best get 13 pts, 4 rbs, 2 assits a game. He probably wont last 10 years in the league. Larry Sanders a big, long armed, blocking machine should have been the pick.

I just want to ask how Honz (obviously a Jazz P.R. member hired to change people minds or Hayward's brother) has been so successful convincing everyone that the Jazz made a great choice.

Rip away.
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No need to comment on this one, it speaks for itself.
 
Sirkickyass said:
I think honz didn't succeed in convincing everyone as much as the sheer prospect of hope has changed the tune of many on the board. The attitude seems to be "if he was the wrong choice, well now he's my wrong choice so I might as well hope for the best."

I can't go back in time and change KOC's pick no matter how much I disagree with it. I can only hope that it turns out I'm wrong, and if that's the case I'll happily eat that crow. Don't mistake hope for validation of honz oldtimer. You know he's ready to crap the bed and change his username if it turns out Hayward looks overmatched the first month of the season.
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It appears you were wrong, my friend.
 
Every time these threads get bumped and I see that I've posted in them I have to search them to see if I'm gonna be eating any crow.

Not on this one at least!
 
As much as I hated the pick, I feel I've kept my arguments based on the here-and-now and tried to stay away from crying over spilled milk and then making proclamations to validate that. I feel it's too early to call scrub or savior on the kid, but he has played some incredibly, terribly bad basketball and some very nice, good games as well. I think the good games are more translatable for success than the bad has for failure at this stage.
 
I don't see why people feel they need to eat crow. Hayward has played a few good games, but that's it. Is that consistent enough for you guys? honz, you're pretty quick to call people out and say how right you are, but in reality, how right are you about Hayward?
 
Um, my analysis of him was spot on and I got ripped (or razzed in most cases, really) for it by everyone except 2 or 3 people. More athletic than people think, better defender than people think, very good passer, smart player, tough, grabs rebounds at their highest point in traffic, sweet stroke despite his poor % last year.
 
The Spurs have 3 great players to build a system around. The Jazz really just have 1 unless Jefferson is having a really solid night. If the Jazz could get another player as dynamic and consistent as Ginobli, we'd be in business.
 
Catchall said:
The Spurs have 3 great players to build a system around. The Jazz really just have 1 unless Jefferson is having a really solid night. If the Jazz could get another player as dynamic and consistent as Ginobli, we'd be in business.
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ak47 is a franchise player he has a supermax contract doesnt he make moare than lebron and wade
 
Archie Moses said:
I don't see why people feel they need to eat crow. Hayward has played a few good games, but that's it. Is that consistent enough for you guys? honz, you're pretty quick to call people out and say how right you are, but in reality, how right are you about Hayward?
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Brook Lopez sucks.

Maybe you should take your own advice.
 
NUMBERICA said:
As much as I hated the pick, I feel I've kept my arguments based on the here-and-now and tried to stay away from crying over spilled milk and then making proclamations to validate that. I feel it's too early to call scrub or savior on the kid, but he has played some incredibly, terribly bad basketball and some very nice, good games as well. I think the good games are more translatable for success than the bad has for failure at this stage.
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You mean he's played like a rookie?
Outside of a select few (like the top 3-4 each season), who doesn't struggle their first season? I've been a bit disappointed with Hayward, especially since we're getting inconsistent and at times terrible performances from Bell, AK and CJ. I was really hoping Hayward could give the Jazz 20 mins and 10 pts from the start.

But let's hope the way he's played in the last 3 games is what we'll start seeing on a regular basis. I think the Jazz could have a pretty good bench. Now KOC just needs to find a starting SG and relegate Bell to spot minutes.
 
King Cy said:
All that may be true, but Sanders is a 4, we are stacked with players who can play the 4 on this team. Hayward fills a need and is much better than you give him credit for. Hayward's best case senario as far as his career goes is a starter who is considered a borderline All-Star and the ultimate role-player, which is exactly what we need.
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Damn, seems I was pretty close with that call. Looks like Hayward may even exceed that though.


Pretty fun thread read if you like seeing ncolorado being ridiculously wrong.
 
King Cy said:
Damn, seems I was pretty close with that call. Looks like Hayward may even exceed that though.


Pretty fun thread read if you like seeing ncolorado being ridiculously wrong.
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Wow you're amazing Cy. What's your prediction for Lyles your Majesty.
 
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