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Serious LGBT question - Keep it Nice!

PearlWatson said:
Even in homosexual relationships the partners take on gender roles...one Lesbian usually likes to "wear the pants" literally and figuratively.
The homosexual males with feminine traits tend to take on the feminine roles.
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This is so ignorant that I found it painful to read.

People who need to see the world on a binary-gendered basis say "A is wearing the masculine attire and B is not". People who just let people be themselves don't need to make these categories.
 
Stoked said:
May take heat for it but I see the parenting issue this way.

Mother and Father
Two fathers/Two mothers
Single Parent (mother or father)

Effective in that order and generally speaking. I am sure we all know examples that throw that order into disarray. I do not think "married" is necessary but preffered.
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I see, in reverse order of preference:

one guardian
two guardians
three guardians
four guardians
etc.

Obviously, having more adults take responsibility for kids is better than fewer.
 
PearlWatson said:
We are talking abilities and brain differences such as spacial/math, language, IQ, information processing, emotions, aggression, etc.
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In each of these cases, the variance within a gender is larger than the difference of the means between the genders, making the difference meaningless in practical terms.
 
PearlWatson said:
I'm not informed about what you are talking about, but you are wrong about the ability to change.

Why should someone who has been molested be denied the opportunity to change their conditioned attraction.
Why should they be punished a second time by being told they must accept the "orientation" foisted upon them?
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In the only serious attempt to measure change, the largest degree of change seen was change from being a bisexual with a modest same-sex preference to being a bisexual with a modest opposite preference. You can train people not to act on their orientation, but you can't train theri orientation out of them.

It's curious how being molested by a man supposedly makes men like having sex with men and women hate having sex with men. The reality is that molestation does not alter orientation.
 
One Brow said:
Obviously, having more adults take responsibility for kids is better than fewer.
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polygamy is the best environment for children
 
One Brow said:
When stable and built on a foundation of adult consent, why not? however, I was thinking more along the lines of grandparents, uncles, aunts, etc.
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ya i was just kiddin. i get your point and agree
 
One Brow said:
When stable and built on a foundation of adult consent, why not? however, I was thinking more along the lines of grandparents, uncles, aunts, etc.
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It takes a village, or the people in the village, or the Village People...something like that. ;)
 
One Brow said:
This is so ignorant that I found it painful to read.

People who need to see the world on a binary-gendered basis say "A is wearing the masculine attire and B is not". People who just let people be themselves don't need to make these categories.
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It's an idiom. Who cares.

I would prefer all men wore kilts.
 
One Brow said:
In each of these cases, the variance within a gender is larger than the difference of the means between the genders, making the difference meaningless in practical terms.
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bull

With IQ for example. Males are spread out on either end...dumber and smarter...while females IQ is more concentrated in the center.
99% of geniuses are men...related to the effect of testosterone on brain development.

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One Brow said:
In the only serious attempt to measure change, the largest degree of change seen was change from being a bisexual with a modest same-sex preference to being a bisexual with a modest opposite preference. You can train people not to act on their orientation, but you can't train theri orientation out of them.

It's curious how being molested by a man supposedly makes men like having sex with men and women hate having sex with men. The reality is that molestation does not alter orientation.
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Wrong.
The same reason guys turn their pain into outward rage and girls turn their pain inward. Psychobiological differences are demonstrated even in their reaction to similar circumstances.
 
PearlWatson said:
bull

With IQ for example. Males are spread out on either end...dumber and smarter...while females IQ is more concentrated in the center.
99% of geniuses are men...related to the effect of testosterone on brain development.

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Does this study measure the social effects? ie; WIMINZ SHULD B HOAMAKERZ!
 
Core4 said:
It takes a village, or the people in the village, or the Village People...something like that. ;)
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I think you are looking for the LGBT thread.
 
ElRoach0 said:
Does this study measure the social effects? ie; WIMINZ SHULD B HOAMAKERZ!
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I find it funny how many people assume that is automatically a bad thing regardless of circumstances. If you don't aspire to be a neurosurgeon or CEO and throw all personal desires out the window to achieve that then you are nothing but a patsy to the sexist elite apparently.
 
One Brow said:
This is so ignorant that I found it painful to read.

People who need to see the world on a binary-gendered basis say "A is wearing the masculine attire and B is not". People who just let people be themselves don't need to make these categories.
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I know it is anecdotal - the best kind of evidence(!) - but every homosexual couple I know (more than a few) take on exactly these kinds of roles. I know one couple that both act about the same, kind of an in-between of traditional gender roles, but the other couples with which I am or have been acquainted take on a "male" role and a "female" role. Not sure what that means exactly but it is just my observation.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I find it funny how many people assume that is automatically a bad thing regardless of circumstances. If you don't aspire to be a neurosurgeon or CEO and throw all personal desires out the window to achieve that then you are nothing but a patsy to the sexist elite apparently.
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When did I say it was bad? I posed a question, and didn't get an answer.

Thanks for that.
 
ElRoach0 said:
When did I say it was bad? I posed a question, and didn't get an answer.

Thanks for that.
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The implication that choosing to be a homemaker would make you more stupid, complete with bad writing and all, makes your position on it pretty clear.

If you meant something other than that then I take it back, and you need to remember that on the interwebz we can't see the "wink wink nod nod".
 
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