Serious LGBT question - Keep it Nice!

[PearlWatson]

When did I say it was bad? I posed a question, and didn't get an answer.

Thanks for that.

The answer is no.

 

[Harambe]

The implication that choosing to be a homemaker would make you more stupid, complete with bad writing and all, makes your position on it pretty clear.

If you meant something other than that then I take it back, and you need to remember that on the interwebz we can't see the "wink wink nod nod".

The implication, if any, was that because much of society still stereotype female as a home maker, there's less of a social drive for women to go out there and push to succeed. Merely an odds game, not a knock on women at all.

 

[Harambe]

The answer is no.

Thought so. Thanks.

 

[VINYLONE]

Does anyone have any understanding as to why these two communities decided to join together? Am I missing something here?

I think it makes completely perfect sense to me and is not something I've ever thought was weird. I'm not sure why it seems so foreign to you. The LGBT wikipedia is a good read and might shed some light on the T being added to the LGB. You should definitely give it a perusal.

 

[VINYLONE]

This response illustrates how advocates try to have the issue of gender/sexuality both ways.
They say you are born with your sexuality (who you are attracted to) but that gender is merely a social construct.
Even in homosexual relationships the partners take on gender roles...one Lesbian usually likes to "wear the pants" literally and figuratively.
The homosexual males with feminine traits tend to take on the feminine roles.

I think this is completely incorrect. Who says gender is a social construct? Maybe the roles and some of the conventions related to gender are but gender itself?

What interaction do you have with gay couples either male or female?

 

[VINYLONE]

America is demonstrating the unfortunate consequences of ignoring that need.

Can you give me an example?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Who says gender is a social construct?

Anthropologists.

Gender is based on sex, but not necessarily wholly bound to it. One can certainly identify with a gender that isn't what one's sex is. In some societies, gender roles primarily assigned to a masculine sex can be assigned to a female, creating a third gender, and vice versa.

What does it take to be "male?" Y chromosome and male reproductive parts. That's sex. What does it take to be a "man." That's not so easily answered and must be defined within each individual society.

When there are accepted roles outside of the expected roles females and males play within a society, more genders are created.

 

[moevillini]

I see, in reverse order of preference:

one guardian
two guardians
three guardians
four guardians
etc.

Obviously, having more adults take responsibility for kids is better than fewer.

Is it really obvious?
i think there are plenty of folks in blended situations who would disagree.


As far as anthropological studies of gender (male/female, mother/father) roles, there are plenty of studies of various cultures over the years where these roles show a great deal of overlap and ambiguity and it is not as clear cut as some of you seem to think.

 

[VINYLONE]

Anthropologists.

Gender is based on sex, but not necessarily wholly bound to it. One can certainly identify with a gender that isn't what one's sex is. In some societies, gender roles primarily assigned to a masculine sex can be assigned to a female, creating a third gender, and vice versa.

What does it take to be "male?" Y chromosome and male reproductive parts. That's sex. What does it take to be a "man." That's not so easily answered and must be defined within each individual society.

When there are accepted roles outside of the expected roles females and males play within a society, more genders are created.

I stand completely corrected. I had a different definition in my head for gender. A wrong definition. Thanks for learning me.

 

[TroutBum]

America is demonstrating the unfortunate consequences of ignoring that need.

Gosh darn those pesky freedoms!

I think this is completely incorrect. Who says gender is a social construct? Maybe the roles and some of the conventions related to gender are but gender itself?

What interaction do you have with gay couples either male or female?

She spits on them whenever she gets the chance.

 

[One Brow]

bull

With IQ for example. Males are spread out on either end...dumber and smarter...while females IQ is more concentrated in the center.
99% of geniuses are men...related to the effect of testosterone on brain development.

Notice how your picture compared the patterns, not the actual graphs? That' because the woman's graph has a higher median, i.e., women tend to be smarter over. The truth is that the percentage of geniuses being male is something like 60%.

However, that does not change what I said at all. The variance in either sex is larger than the difference of the means between the sexes.

 

[One Brow]

Wrong.

Truth, in the only study that attemptedto measure it objectively.

The same reason guys turn their pain into outward rage and girls turn their pain inward.

That would be social conditioning to the extant it is true, and it's not very true, but a gross misrepresentation of reality.

 

[One Brow]

Is it really obvious?
i think there are plenty of folks in blended situations who would disagree.

There are always exceptions. Certainly, if the guardians are acrimonious, it's detrimental.

As far as anthropological studies of gender (male/female, mother/father) roles, there are plenty of studies of various cultures over the years where these roles show a great deal of overlap and ambiguity and it is not as clear cut as some of you seem to think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

 

[moevillini]

so here's another question...

I've been to a couple of same-sex marriages over the last year involving lesbians, and in one, both women were "brides" and wore traditional white wedding gowns but in the other, one was the "bride" in a traditional wedding gown, and the other was more like a "groom" in a tuxedo - - and I've also since seen photos of a number of lesbian weddings, and some are the first variety (both in wedding dresses) and some are the second (one wedding dress, one tuxedo/suit) - - but in ALL the photos of two men getting married BOTH are wearing suits/tuxedos - - at any rate, something more traditionally masculine. So I am wondering if anyone has heard of a guy who got married in a wedding dress?


I guess this is because it's socially acceptable for women to wear pants, but it's not socially acceptable for men to wear dresses. Just something random I noticed and wondered about.

 

[Jamezz]

so here's another question...

I've been to a couple of same-sex marriages over the last year involving lesbians, and in one, both women were "brides" and wore traditional white wedding gowns but in the other, one was the "bride" in a traditional wedding gown, and the other was more like a "groom" in a tuxedo - - and I've also since seen photos of a number of lesbian weddings, and some are the first variety (both in wedding dresses) and some are the second (one wedding dress, one tuxedo/suit) - - but in ALL the photos of two men getting married BOTH are wearing suits/tuxedos - - at any rate, something more traditionally masculine. So I am wondering if anyone has heard of a guy who got married in a wedding dress?


I guess this is because it's socially acceptable for women to wear pants, but it's not socially acceptable for men to wear dresses. Just something random I noticed and wondered about.

I better stay away from this thread.

 

[Siro]

so here's another question...

I've been to a couple of same-sex marriages over the last year involving lesbians, and in one, both women were "brides" and wore traditional white wedding gowns but in the other, one was the "bride" in a traditional wedding gown, and the other was more like a "groom" in a tuxedo - - and I've also since seen photos of a number of lesbian weddings, and some are the first variety (both in wedding dresses) and some are the second (one wedding dress, one tuxedo/suit) - - but in ALL the photos of two men getting married BOTH are wearing suits/tuxedos - - at any rate, something more traditionally masculine. So I am wondering if anyone has heard of a guy who got married in a wedding dress?


I guess this is because it's socially acceptable for women to wear pants, but it's not socially acceptable for men to wear dresses. Just something random I noticed and wondered about.

Well, that's right. Pants are not sex specific. Both men and women wear pants and suits. Not the case for dresses.

 

[Stoked]

so here's another question...

I've been to a couple of same-sex marriages over the last year involving lesbians, and in one, both women were "brides" and wore traditional white wedding gowns but in the other, one was the "bride" in a traditional wedding gown, and the other was more like a "groom" in a tuxedo - - and I've also since seen photos of a number of lesbian weddings, and some are the first variety (both in wedding dresses) and some are the second (one wedding dress, one tuxedo/suit) - - but in ALL the photos of two men getting married BOTH are wearing suits/tuxedos - - at any rate, something more traditionally masculine. So I am wondering if anyone has heard of a guy who got married in a wedding dress?


I guess this is because it's socially acceptable for women to wear pants, but it's not socially acceptable for men to wear dresses. Just something random I noticed and wondered about.

I have not heard of any.

But it is their wedding and so no one should care what is socially acceptable. If they want one of them in a wedding dress, rock on. It is their wedding and the only opinions that count are those getting married. Just my .02

 

[♪alt13]

so here's another question...

I've been to a couple of same-sex marriages over the last year involving lesbians, and in one, both women were "brides" and wore traditional white wedding gowns but in the other, one was the "bride" in a traditional wedding gown, and the other was more like a "groom" in a tuxedo - - and I've also since seen photos of a number of lesbian weddings, and some are the first variety (both in wedding dresses) and some are the second (one wedding dress, one tuxedo/suit) - - but in ALL the photos of two men getting married BOTH are wearing suits/tuxedos - - at any rate, something more traditionally masculine. So I am wondering if anyone has heard of a guy who got married in a wedding dress?


I guess this is because it's socially acceptable for women to wear pants, but it's not socially acceptable for men to wear dresses. Just something random I noticed and wondered about.

If a man wanted to wear a dress it's probably going to be hard to find one that fit. A tuxedo being easier to acquire probably has something to do with it. I don't think this is the sole reason maybe just a factor.

 

[Siro]

If a man wanted to wear a dress it's probably going to be hard to find one that fit. A tuxedo being easier to acquire probably has something to do with it. I don't think this is the sole reason maybe just a factor.

Maybe, but gay men typically still think of themselves as men. And men typically don't wear dresses.

 

[♪alt13]

Maybe, but gay men typically still think of themselves as men. And men typically don't wear dresses.

I've known a few that do.