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Should a business be allowed to discrimate on the basis of a customer's sexual orientation?

DutchJazzer said:
i'd rather abort drunk drivers then murder babies in the womb.
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Id rather about mom's with misbehaving kids in the back seat that are distracting her from driving
 
I think they should be allowed to restrict... it's a free country and it's their shop and property. Shouldn't they have that right?
 
ONE LOVE said:
I think they should be allowed to restrict... it's a free country and it's their shop and property. Shouldn't they have that right?
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Yeah, but it's kind of weird.

What if you lived in a small town and there was only 1 local grocery shop to buy food. What if they restricted a person because they were gay and the next closest grocery store was 50 miles away? Doesn't that seem kind of unethical? The shop is already there and serves a small population, so no competing business would want to enter the market.
 
Cy said:
Yeah, but it's kind of weird.

What if you lived in a small town and there was only 1 local grocery shop to buy food. What if they restricted a person because they were gay and the next closest grocery store was 50 miles away? Doesn't that seem kind of unethical? The shop is already there and serves a small population, so no competing business would want to enter the market.
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But if those people chose that lifestyle and chose to live in the small town isn't that the consequence though?


It's like if you're a muslim and choose to live in Montana can you complain if you can't buy halal food from your local grocer?
 
ONE LOVE said:
But if those people chose that lifestyle and chose to live in the small town isn't that the consequence though?


It's like if you're a muslim and choose to live in Montana can you complain if you can't buy halal food from your local grocer?
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What? I thought that was not being allowed service?
 
Cy said:
Yeah, but it's kind of weird.

What if you lived in a small town and there was only 1 local grocery shop to buy food. What if they restricted a person because they were gay and the next closest grocery store was 50 miles away? Doesn't that seem kind of unethical? The shop is already there and serves a small population, so no competing business would want to enter the market.
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your confusing denying a person vs denying a certain product.

the gay couple could buy donuts, or other non custom baked goods.
but he denied making them a custom cake.

2 different things bro
 
ONE LOVE said:
But if those people chose that lifestyle and chose to live in the small town isn't that the consequence though?


It's like if you're a muslim and choose to live in Montana can you complain if you can't buy halal food from your local grocer?
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In this day and age the Muslim dude could probably sue the Montana grocer for not carrying Muslim cuisine
 
DutchJazzer said:
so a jew living in a small town with a small grocery store and sue them for not carrying kosher produce.
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No, the point is if you offer a service or a product to one set of people, you offer it to all. Your analogy is inaccurate. The corresponding scenario would be - if the grocery store was selling the same kosher produce to non-jews, but not to the jew that would be discrimination. If you sell/make cakes to straight people, you sell/make cakes to all people.

fishonjazz said:
In this day and age the Muslim dude could probably sue the Montana grocer for not carrying Muslim cuisine
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That's not correct. Nobody can make you sell any specific type of product or service, but if you decide to sell it, you sell it to all. It's only discrimination if you offer it to some part of the population, but refuse to offer it to some protected class(in some states sexuality is included in the protected classes, in others it's not - there you can discriminate against them).
 
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stitches said:
No, the point is if you offer a service or a product to one set of people, you offer it to all. Your analogy is inaccurate. The corresponding scenario would be - if the grocery store was selling the same kosher produce to non-jews, but not to the jew that would be discrimination. If you sell/make cakes to straight people, you sell/make cakes to all people.



That's not correct. Nobody can make you sell any specific type of product or service, but if you decide to sell it, you sell it to all. It's only discrimination if you offer it to some part of the population, but refuse to offer it to some protected class(in some states sexuality is included in the protected classes, in others it's not - there you can discriminate against them).
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incorrect the bakery is not selling gay cakes to straight customers. so he does not have to sell a gay cake to gay couple.

and yes in some people book kosher food differs from none kosher food.
for u it doesnt matter if beef is kosher or not.
for some it doesnt matter if a cake is gay or not.

but for me it matters if beef is kosher or not
and for the baker in quesiton it matters if a cake is gay or not.


btw there is a difference:

gay wedding cakes:
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straight wedding cake
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heck they differ more then kosher and non kosher beef:
picture for reference:
kosher beef:
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"normal" beef:
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Halal beef:
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as u can see there is a big noticble differneces between gay cakes en strauight cakes.
but no noticble difference between different beefs.

so again HE IS NOT SELLING GAY WEDDING CAKES the product!(aka customizing a cake).
he is not denying homosexuals acces to his shop to buy anything he sells! he just happens to not sell gay weddning cakes.

its like a carshop not having a blue car
 
'Gay cake' and 'straight cake'? You can't be serious?! You ****ing can't be serious?!? Please tell me you are not serious and this is some sort of a joke. I remember now why I'm not posting in this subsection of the forum. Those are custom made cakes, there is nothing inherently different in the process of making the 'gay cake' than there is in the making of any other custom made cake. This is a ridiculous argument.

Halal meat as far as I know needs to be procured in a specific way and with a specific procedure that is very different from the way regular meat is procured.

'Gay cakes':

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'Straight cakes'(SPECIFICALLY from the bakery in Oregon that refused to bake a 'gay cake'):
https://www.sweetcakesweb.com/4.html
 
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stitches said:
'Gay cake' and 'straight cake'? You can't be serious?! You ****ing can't be serious?!? Please tell me you are not serious and this is some sort of a joke. I remember now why I'm not posting in this subsection of the forum. Those are custom made cakes, there is nothing inherently different in the process of making the 'gay cake' than there is in the making of any other custom made cake. This is a ridiculous argument.

Halal meat as far as I know needs to be procured in a specific way and with a specific procedure that is very different from the way regular meat is procured.
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YOUR MISSING THE POINT THEN

they did not go in shop and ordered a "premade" wedding cake. they wanted a custom baked cake.
not an off the shelf baked good.
 
DutchJazzer said:
YOUR MISSING THE POINT THEN

they did not go in shop and ordered a "premade" wedding cake. they wanted a custom baked cake.
not an off the shelf baked good.
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MINE NOT MISSING THE POINT.

Pretty much every wedding cake is custom made. That's my point. There's nothing inherently different in making a custom-made gay wedding cake than making a custom-made straight wedding cake. I posted link to pictures above of custom made 'straight cakes' for weddings that you could very well mistake for 'gay' cakes if you didn't know that bakery doesn't make gay cakes.(the link is specifically to the site of the bakery that refused to make a 'gay cake' in Oregon)
 
DutchJazzer said:
YOUR MISSING THE POINT THEN

they did not go in shop and ordered a "premade" wedding cake. they wanted a custom baked cake.
not an off the shelf baked good.
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So, the bakers refuse to provide a service to them because of their sexuality that would be provided to the rest of the community. And this is different how?
 
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