Should Cody spend time in the G LEAGUE
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Tremendous Upside
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That's why you don't evaluate guys based on what they can do against terrible NCAA defenses.
There's only one relevant question: can he do this against tactically superior NBA team defenses and much faster, bigger and smarter defenders?
In Cody's case, he never looked like his scoring and driving would translate. Not for one second.
homeytennis
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If Tavion Kinsey kicks sand in his face, we have a problem.
As bad, probably not. He's been uniquely awful looking. Hendricks was very bad looking just last year. Hayward was really bad for most of his rookie season.
I'm not 100% sure how the degrees of badness matter though. We have had plenty of really bad looking rookies who ended up fine. More importantly in the history of basketball there have been thousands of players who weren't ready to play NBA basketball at 19, but ended up just fine.
homeytennis
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I bet some of the Jazz player personnel folks are popping Maalox at the moment though.
Well, it was a long time ago and my memory is a bit hazy but IIRC Hayward showed some clear potential and production quite early. In his first three games he averaged 6 PPG and 4 RPG in only 20 minutes. He was often confused and hesitant but he did produced when he had an opening. It simply that afterwards the Jazz went on the insanely hot streak (16-3) and he was pushed to the garbage 2-4 minutes per game in favor of the vets.
And Hendricks last year simply did not get any burn until December, but in December he was clearly demonstrating his shooting touch and the defensive capabilities. Unless Cody suddenly greatly improves in the next week I see no comparison there.
I really have to reach back in my memory to find someone equally struggling on the Jazz. I think CJ Miles was pretty bad and comparable... but he was actually 18 for almost his entire rookie season and fresh out of high school. Williams is already 20 and had a year of college, so yeah...
Hendricks was shooting 20% in the Gleague this time last year. These guys need a minute.
Also, Cody looks good on the defensive side. He moves really well, makes most of his rotations and often takes tough on-ball assignments. He stifled Jalen Brunson on multiple possessions a couple days ago. He just doesn't know how to score from the spots where he's getting the ball. If the Jazz had better playmakers, Cody could probably score on some slashes to the rim, but he hasn't been getting any.
homeytennis
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Cody just needs some Coach Woj love.
The language around Cody is eerily similar to that around Exum's season, which is no surprise to me. It's either 1) he completely sucks and can't do anything or 2) he could do stuff, he just doesn't get the chance! I guess we'll hang our hat on his on ball defense. I think it's been fine, but nothing exceptional and combine with his complete lack of motor I don't think he amounts to an above average defense player yet.
Definitely does not seem like he's just there to practice. Seems like they're going to have him do a lot of "PG" stuff while he's there.
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homeytennis
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Stars don't really have a PG at the moment with Preston's injury.
Because you dont see guys who are at this stage usually. They dont play.
That's fair: I do not watch the G-League. Good to know that we probably had some other rookies who very similarly bad at this stage and turned out at least OK. Because right now it looks like Cody cannot score in any way or form and he cannot dribble against any kind of defense.
The only thing I really remember from Hayward's rookie year is him getting the ball thrown at him by DWill because he didn't know where to be on the court. Looking up his box scores he didn't score in double digits until December 29. He wasn't getting a lot of minutes, but also not doing anything in those minutes he was getting. Like I said, he wasn't maybe as bad to the degree that Cody is bad, but I'm not sure how much degrees matter here. Hayward wasn't a very exciting prospect until the end of his rookie year (when he was 21yo).
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Also, below are some of the Jazzfanz thread about Hendricks being a bust last October/November. He didn't show anything until he got called up in mid-December.
I wholeheartedly agree on the "chill on Cody" movement. Its not only because things are not final, but also because we all know he sucks so there is no disagreement and repeating it is just toxic bot behaviour.The only thing I really remember from Hayward's rookie year is him getting the ball thrown at him by DWill because he didn't know where to be on the court. Looking up his box scores he didn't score in double digits until December 29. He wasn't getting a lot of minutes, but also not doing anything in those minutes he was getting. Like I said, he wasn't maybe as bad to the degree that Cody is bad, but I'm not sure how much degrees matter here. Hayward wasn't a very exciting prospect until the end of his rookie year (when he was 21yo).
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Also, below are some of the Jazzfanz thread about Hendricks being a bust last October/November. He didn't show anything until he got called up in mid-December.
Cody's body is so far behind I think you have to give him at least two off seasons to get his body to where it needs to be.
If you aren't that patient, then at least give him one off season to work on his shot and foot work.
If you aren't that patient, then at least give him until February to adjust to the speed and length of the NBA.
If you aren't that patient, then at least give him until the end of December to learn where he's supposed to be on the court.
Or do whatever you want I guess.
If you aren't that patient, then at least give him one off season to work on his shot and foot work.
If you aren't that patient, then at least give him until February to adjust to the speed and length of the NBA.
If you aren't that patient, then at least give him until the end of December to learn where he's supposed to be on the court.
Or do whatever you want I guess.
Right, nobody is pretending that him looking awful is a good thing or that he will definitely turn in to something later. It sucks that he isn't more ready sooner, but we can only be patient at this point.
Hayward also played on a team that thought they were good and for Sloan, a coach who hated rookies. Hayward was a good rookie, he just had a bad coach for rookies.The only thing I really remember from Hayward's rookie year is him getting the ball thrown at him by DWill because he didn't know where to be on the court. Looking up his box scores he didn't score in double digits until December 29. He wasn't getting a lot of minutes, but also not doing anything in those minutes he was getting. Like I said, he wasn't maybe as bad to the degree that Cody is bad, but I'm not sure how much degrees matter here. Hayward wasn't a very exciting prospect until the end of his rookie year (when he was 21yo).
Gordon Hayward | Forward | Oklahoma City Thunder | NBA.com
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Also, below are some of the Jazzfanz thread about Hendricks being a bust last October/November. He didn't show anything until he got called up in mid-December.
Hendricks and Williams were picks based off athleticism and positional size without much consideration for skills/feel. They are projects. Sadly for Hendricks it might be failed project due to the injury. He did look slightly better this year compared to last year, but he was still a 6'9 athlete without much ball skills. Hopefully Cody's physical development will unlock his ability to use his skills, if he has them.
homeytennis
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Cody and Isiah Collier were McDonalds All Americans. I know I know Damond Stone was one too but there is potential there.