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Should Donovan be the starting point guard next season?

Conley is one of my favorite players on the team, but at his age, I think it would be wise to move him while he still has value. I also agree with others that our backcourt is just too small.
 
Do we really have any other option at this point? Conley is barely an average starting PG at this point of his career. I mean just look at the starting PGs in this league.

Steph Curry, Lillard, Harden, CP3, Irving, Trae Young, Luka, Morant, Jrue Holiday, LaMelo Ball, Vanvleet, Garland, Jamal Murray, Dejounte Murray, DeAngelo Russell, SGA, Lowry, Haliburton, DeAaron Fox, Lonzo Ball, Malcolm Brogdon, Ben Simmons.

Does Conley hold clear advantage over any of them? Where would you rank Conley? If he's not better than 15 of those guys, he's a BELOW AVERAGE starter and will need to be upgraded/replaced for any team that wants to compete for a championship.

Fans will remember Conley the same way they remembered Jeff Teague and Bledsoe. But when it's time to go it's time to go
 
he should be but we are not going to do it if Mike is still here. we are running a my turn your turn system right now and if it doesn't work, we run the same system of my turn your turn until it works.
 
Unfortunately, I think the guy that will suffer the most from moving Conley and making Donovan the point guard is Rudy. His touches have already been on the decline since we lost Joe and now if we take Mike away too, I'm afraid he'll really struggle to get shots.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Having three wings around Donovan and Rudy was always the best formula to use IF one of the wings can also create a bit. That might be the hardest thing in the league to find... so good luck.
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Like game said, fricking hayward fits that mold perfectly.


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Saint Cy of JFC said:
And I will say this about Dononvan, in a scenario where he could get a layup or get another player a layup, he always takes the layup. His mentality is overwhelmingly score first.
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Is this what the kids call "an alpha"?
 
fishonjazz said:
Like game said, fricking hayward fits that mold perfectly.


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Sad as **** if you ask me. Hayward would have been in the best situation he could have ever asked for and absolutely better than what he's gone through the last several years.

Would have made for a better narrative and legacy for him as well.
 
Gameface said:
Sad as **** if you ask me. Hayward would have been in the best situation he could have ever asked for and absolutely better than what he's gone through the last several years.

Would have made for a better narrative and legacy for him as well.
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Not really. His best scenario was in Boston healthy.
 
Jingled said:
Unfortunately, I think the guy that will suffer the most from moving Conley and making Donovan the point guard is Rudy. His touches have already been on the decline since we lost Joe and now if we take Mike away too, I'm afraid he'll really struggle to get shots.
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likely true, and unfortunately if our $200M man isn’t spoon fed possessions < 2 ft from the rim this happens

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jope said:
likely true, and unfortunately if our $200M man isn’t spoon fed possessions < 2 ft from the rim this happens

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To be fair over the last few games as he has gotten more aggressive he has been better. He is getting more free throws and more dunks. Frankly if he just was determined to dunk the ball over anyone and everyone every time he touched it he would be a lot better and would score more, both in dunks and in free throws, and currently we are seeing some of that. Hopefully we will see more.

Also our tiny guards have a very difficult time getting him the ball where he can work with it. I have said it before, he doesn't have fingers on his knees. They need to be able to make the lob. Ingles so awesome at that because of his size. Conly and Mitchell as just both too small to effectively make that pass, because neither of them are on the level of say, a Chris Paul. Paul and Gobert would connect for half a dozen dunks or more every game. Mitchell and Conley need to figure this out as well. Maybe they need to watch more tape of Gobert and Ingles, or even of Paul and DeAndre Jordan. Lean how a smaller guard creates space and makes that pass.

But we need to all accept he is probably everything he is going to be. He might add something small, maybe a little 15 foot jumper that he takes a few times a game like Favors did. But he isn't suddenly developing any moves around the basket. The best we can hope for is for him to continue to be hyper-aggressive when he gets the ball, and for our team to get better at getting him the ball where he can do something with it.
 
Gameface said:
For that one year. Even once he got healthy that was a team that didn't really need him and he never fit in there.
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The only perspective of him being better off in Utah is from a Utah fans POV. He absolutely fit that team and he never got back to where he was health wise.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The only perspective of him being better off in Utah is from a Utah fans POV. He absolutely fit that team and he never got back to where he was health wise.
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He stays in utah and stays healthy and wins a championship. I think that is better than his current career and legacy.
 
Never been on board with taking this particularly phenomenal scorer and make him a floor general.
You've got yourself a superb top tier scorer, you better use him like that.
That's my humble take...
 
Mitchell and Brogdon together would have really made some noise, tbpfhwy.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Mitchell and Brogdon together would have really made some noise, tbpfhwy.
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I like Malcolm but I think his numbers are a little hollow. Theoretically it would be solid I think. I think he could be had for an okayish offer now that they have Tyrese. I don't think it is the panacea some may think it could be.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I like Malcolm but I think his numbers are a little hollow. Theoretically it would be solid I think. I think he could be had for an okayish offer now that they have Tyrese. I don't think it is the panacea some may think it could be.
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No but he bodies up bigger guards better than Mike and his numbers, other than 3 pt shooting which is just bad this year, are similar in the other categories. From the perspective of a large guard that can play some defense he would have been a better get than Conley, imo.
 
I'd prefer to see Don getting more off ball screens like Curry. Won't happen with Quin, but I think Don would do better if he could get work off the ball more. On ball screens with Rudy are great, but many teams guard it fairly well and are built to switch and/or slip screens.

I also think the team would do better if they had more off ball movement. I've said it a lot, but having a secondary offense with lots of interior off ball movement would be helpful. This team gets in ruts where shots outside are well defended and they struggle to penetrate. They need an offense that creates more wrinkles to get them shots. Much harder to slip screens when there are a lot of backcuts and other movement/counter-movement strategies.

Outside of Stockton, Malone, and Horny, most of the roster on the finals teams were just average. The offense created for them and got them high percentage shots. When defense tightens up in the playoffs, this teams needs those options.

I loved watching old Jazz teams run FLEX and UCLA, they made defenders work hard, and if you stopped paying attention there was an easy bucket.
 
fishonjazz said:
Duh. Should have happened like 4 years ago.
Thanks for the article though.
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Yep. Putting small, ball-dominant guards around Mitchell put a hard cap on this team. If the Mitchell/Gobert lineup is going to work Mitchell needs to be the dominant ball-handler, and we need to surround him and gobert with athleticism. At this point in this team's lifespan, I'm not sure it'll be possible. We seem locked in to this core.
 
fallenchicken said:
Yep. Putting small, ball-dominant guards around Mitchell put a hard cap on this team. If the Mitchell/Gobert lineup is going to work Mitchell needs to be the dominant ball-handler, and we need to surround him and gobert with athleticism. At this point in this team's lifespan, I'm not sure it'll be possible. We seem locked in to this core.
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Funny thing is what we need in this mix is a player like George Hill. He would have been a great running mate with Mitchell. A larger combo guard who can run the offense but isn't ball-dominant and can guard and hit the 3. Brogdon also fits that mold. Many of us clamored for this instead of Conley.
 
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