Should Obama stop this?

[TheSilencer1313]

How would the free market correct health care??? People sick and die would choose to not go to the doctors. Problems solved lets just quite going to the doctors and or hospitals. It will solve our problems in two fold hospitals will have to lay off workers and reduce what they charge; Plus, there will be less people in the world hence you don't have to get those losers jobs.

The free market just does things naturally, because in a free market everything wouldn't be dictated by the government.
It would be a natural correction of over saturation of a certain market place.
Once government subsidies get involved in the private sector, it makes them next to impossible to take away..... because that part of the private sector now relies on the government to stay afloat.

I myself rarely go to the hospital or doctors office, because I rely on all-natural cures to sickness.
I have a bottle of apple cider vinegar that has cured me of any sickness I've had in the last 5 years.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

How would the free market correct health care??? People sick and die would choose to not go to the doctors. Problems solved lets just quite going to the doctors and or hospitals. It will solve our problems in two fold hospitals will have to lay off workers and reduce what they charge; Plus, there will be less people in the world hence you don't have to get those losers jobs.

The free market just does things naturally, because in a free market everything wouldn't be dictated by the government.
It would be a natural correction of over saturation of a certain market place.
Once government subsidies get involved in the private sector, it makes them next to impossible to take away..... because that part of the private sector now relies on the government to stay afloat.

I myself rarely go to the hospital or doctors office, because I rely on all-natural cures to sickness.
I have a bottle of apple cider vinegar that has cured me of any sickness I've had in the last 5 years.

 

[TroutBum]

I myself rarely go to the hospital or doctors office, because I rely on all-natural cures to sickness.
I have a bottle of apple cider vinegar that has cured me of any sickness I've had in the last 5 years.

Everyone who is surprised by this, go in the corner and stand on your head.

 

[Scat]

When I was a little kid cartoons were only run on Saturday mornings and holidays. Of course I could never get out of bed before 9:30am on Saturdays so missed all the cools shows. I got stuck watching whatever ran between 10-12. Usually this stuff.

And then the young adult stuff would kick in...

 

[TroutBum]

Dude, The Monkey's were boss.

Let's not forget about a few other staples:

 

[Deleted member 848]

Cartoons suck these days, I have a 10 year old brother and all he ever watches is that awful Disney XD channel.

Satruday mornings were the bomb-diggity; my dad also used to always purchase VHS's of cartoons he loved as a kid, so I could more than a good dose of some of the oldies like Rocket Robin Hood, Tom and Jerry, Spiderman, and so on. My fav's were:

I love my cartoons.

 

[Duck Rodgers]

I think what we need to do as a country is order a fleet and a half of those Boeing 787 Dreamliners for every major airport in this country. Then when enough people with medical problems come forward to fill each plane to capacity, we fly them to India for cheap medical care on the taxpayer's dime.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Dude, The Monkey's were boss.

Let's not forget about a few other staples:

Yay for canadian cartoons!!!!

 

[franklin]

My thread got jacked by the cartoon prudes. Shouldn't you guys be posting all this on Christian Science Monitor or GBTV?

 

[NUMBERICA]

If these new jobs are in the health insurance field, then yes. Absolutely.

If this is just someone making a strawman argument that Obama hates health care, then this isn't new or surprising.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The free market just does things naturally, because in a free market everything wouldn't be dictated by the government.
It would be a natural correction of over saturation of a certain market place.
Once government subsidies get involved in the private sector, it makes them next to impossible to take away..... because that part of the private sector now relies on the government to stay afloat.

I myself rarely go to the hospital or doctors office, because I rely on all-natural cures to sickness.
I have a bottle of apple cider vinegar that has cured me of any sickness I've had in the last 5 years.

Pretty sure your immune system has 'cured' you of any sickness you've had in the last 5 years. At least that's been the case for me.

 

[babe]

Actually, the poll is seriously flawed.

I would like equal treatment under the law. I want cash on the barrelhead for staying well, for staying out of doctors' hands, and for not casting my shadow on any medical care facility. If the government compensaated this behavior, more people would do it.

The medical care industry is hiking their billing because of all the new "mandates" the government has piled on them under Obamacare regulations, and laying off staff as much as possible, and squeezing the help that they keep for lower pay. They aalso reducing services to patients in major cost-cutting "efficiency" measures. Next time you go to the hospital, be sure to bring your own toilet paper and paper cup for drinking water.

For those who choose to just die instead of go through all that insanity of letting the doctors kill you, at least their kids will have a small rebate to inherit---well, if the lawyers don't get it first--- to partially compensate for all the generational theft involved in deficit spending.

 

[bordelais7]

Why do people keep insisting on talking about health care in this thread?

Caillou is an absolute abomination. Kid whines constantly, and his gutless and nameless parents just cave and think everything is adorable. Freaking Canadians.

 

[One Brow]

So my question to the democrats here is do you think Obama should step in and crush this jobs growth in order to reign in hc spending? Should he dictate hc workers like nurses work for lower wages? What's the democratic take here?

(hope the poll choices are entertaining)

As long as the population ages, healthcare costs will continue to rise.

 

[One Brow]

The free market just does things naturally, because in a free market everything wouldn't be dictated by the government.
It would be a natural correction of over saturation of a certain market place....
I have a bottle of apple cider vinegar that has cured me of any sickness I've had in the last 5 years.

I'm not sure which of those two beliefs is loonier.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Why do people keep insisting on talking about health care in this thread?

Caillou is an absolute abomination. Kid whines constantly, and his gutless and nameless parents just cave and think everything is adorable. Freaking Canadians.

Its true. JBiebz is canadian as well

At least we have awesome people like Wolverine and Inspector Gadget to balance out the lame canadians.

 

[franklin]

As long as the population ages, healthcare costs will continue to rise.

Is that the main driver or is it innovation? Infant mortality rate has been declining for decades and we spend an aweful lot saving premies. Stop innovation and costs will soon drop exponentially.

 

[Gameface]

Is that the main driver or is it innovation? Infant mortality rate has been declining for decades and we spend an aweful lot saving premies. Stop innovation and costs will soon drop exponentially.

Case in point, the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron

There have been a lot of really fast cars. You can go pretty damn fast for less than 100k, but to push the envelope and go faster than anyone else it costs 2.7mil, and I think I remember on Top Gear (BBC) they said the company was losing money selling it for that much!

Innovation costs a lot up front. But for any of us who are alive today because of a procedure that didn't exist 5-10 years earlier (myself included) it seems worth it. And for those of us who have lost someone to something that might be cured in 5-10 years (myself included) stopping innovation is not an option.

 

[babe]

Case in point, the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron

There have been a lot of really fast cars. You can go pretty damn fast for less than 100k, but to push the envelope and go faster than anyone else it costs 2.7mil, and I think I remember on Top Gear (BBC) they said the company was losing money selling it for that much!

Innovation casts a lot up front. But for any of us who are alive today because of a procedure that didn't exist 5-10 years earlier (myself included) it seems worth it. And for those of us who have lost someone to something that might be cured in 5-10 years (myself included) stopping innovation is not an option.

Obamacare will bureaucratize the system and eliminate this wasteful sort of expense, then it will gradually begin to find more and more people "useless eaters" not worth the expense, just like Obama has trashed space innovation and exploration, and given the green light to offshore competitors.

Fifty years from now, we'll be going to China for "cutting edge" medical care, as well as for tourist flights to the moon. The Chinese have incredible manpower resources, and are accumulating surplus profits from selling human parts on the black markets all around the world.

Historically, the Chinese bureaucracy shut down the greatest merchant fleet in the world about a thousand years ago so their elites wouldn't have to suffer the embarassement of the emerging Novou Riche upstarts. Today, our own elites who manage our system, mostly leeches sucking on the Rockefeller/Morgan empires somehow and seeking status on the NWO regime, are trying to "professionalize" our society based on their current cash cow schema of significance, with a predictable similar result.

A few hundred years later, the shipless Chinese were victimized by British gunboat diplomacy enforcing their opium racket, powerless to compete or repulse the foreign manipulations.

It won't take six hundred years this time, for the Rockefeller/Morgan/British Monarchy/EuroBanker elites to be looking down the barrels of superior technology while accepting Chinese mobster demands.

 

[One Brow]

Is that the main driver or is it innovation? Infant mortality rate has been declining for decades and we spend an aweful lot saving premies. Stop innovation and costs will soon drop exponentially.

Backwhen I worked at Anthem, they sent out a series of company-wide emails discussing the 7 reasons for rising costs. It's been a while, but aging was #1, innovation #3 or 4. This was back in the days of Clinton.