Should Obama stop this?

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But we wouldn't want to accept those cures, because the drug companies wouldn't make much money off of a natural cure would they?

Drug company executives get cancer, as do their parents and spouses. If there was a cure, they'd make sure it was available, and find a way to make money on it.

Susan Summers wrote a book a couple years ago highlighting her fight with cancer, and how she beat it without radiation and surgery.

When 100 people take a natural cure, and 99 of them die (as opposed to the 50 or so who would survive taking medicine), woo-meisters points to the lone survivor and claim they were cured.

Their are cures all over over the place, but that is just one example of a mainstream type book.

https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/10/suzanne_somers_has_just_carpet_bombed_th.php

Suzanne Somers had a Stage I tumor reated by surgery (you know, "Western" medicine).

 

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All diseases are cases of nutrient deficiency, and therefore can be cured by instilling those nutrients back into the body.

When someone gets cancer, it is because the bodies cells have shifted too far to the side of acidic as opposed to the natural alkaline.
Now AIDS is one case where I haven't researched much, but cancer and Alzheimers is a different story. Alzheimers is the case of brain cells slowly dying off from age and not talking better care of your brain in general.
People like Jack LaLanne never suffered from this because of his extremely healthy lifestyle and juicing of course.

There is so much nonsense in that post, and so much of it disproven, that it's hard to maikntain my composure.

A flu virus doesn't care how healthy you are, it invades you cells using a specific biochemical pathway that operates the same in all people, regardless of health. People with cancer do not have more acidic bodies (whatever that is supposed to mean) than those who do not. Alzheimer propensity has been tied to a number of factor, none of them juicing. You've fallen for decptions and bad thinking, wrapped up in a pretty package that gives you the illusion of control.

 

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I also wanted to bring up the vaccine argument, as if you knew how they made it.... you wouldn't want it in your body.

I get every vaccine in the schedule, and make sure my kids do as well. I do know how they are made, and don't rely on anti-vaccine organizations for my information.

However, I understand that freeloaders such as yourself can rely on most of the USA vaccinating their kids, so you don't have to. Just be careful which foreign countries you visit.

 

[TroutBum]

I get every vaccine in the schedule, and make sure my kids do as well. I do know how they are made, and don't rely on anti-vaccine organizations for my information.

However, I understand that freeloaders such as yourself can rely on most of the USA vaccinating their kids, so you don't have to. Just be careful which foreign countries you visit.

I agree with your *** raping of Mr. Juicer's comments, but I do want to know where you stand on people (real people, not nut job twits like TheSilencer) that are against getting vaccines, flu shots, etc.?

 

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I agree with your *** raping of Mr. Juicer's comments, but I do want to know where you stand on people (real people, not nut job twits like TheSilencer) that are against getting vaccines, flu shots, etc.?

A vaccine (such as a flu shot) protects not only you, but every immune-compromised person you encounter. It's every but as much a personal responsibility to get one as it is to stay home from work when you have a cold, as an example.

 

[Gameface]

A vaccine (such as a flu shot) protects not only you, but every immune-compromised person you encounter. It's every but as much a personal responsibility to get one as it is to stay home from work when you have a cold, as an example.

I disagree.

I typically get vaccines and while in the Navy I got a butt-ton of vaccines for all sorts of stuff. I could have opted out of things like the anthrax vaccine, but was happy to get it. Anyway, if someone is concerned about side-effects and bad reactions I think they have every right to skip a vaccine. They don't owe it to me and my family to get a vaccine. People should be able to choose if they want to take their chances with a virus that cannot be completely controlled or predicted vs taking a vaccine that might have unknown consequences.

Just like with climate change, the "scientific community" will allow no dissention on this point. There is no room for questioning their assertion that vaccines are safe. And when they say vaccines are safe they mean that fewer people will suffer from side effects from vaccines than would suffer from the flu, as an example. They are not saying that vaccines never hurt anyone. Some people would rather play in a lightning storm than play Russian Roulette, even if the gun has half a million barrels.

 

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I disagree.

I typically get vaccines and while in the Navy I got a butt-ton of vaccines for all sorts of stuff. I could have opted out of things like the anthrax vaccine, but was happy to get it. Anyway, if someone is concerned about side-effects and bad reactions I think they have every right to skip a vaccine. They don't owe it to me and my family to get a vaccine. People should be able to choose if they want to take their chances with a virus that cannot be completely controlled or predicted vs taking a vaccine that might have unknown consequences.

Just like with climate change, the "scientific community" will allow no dissention on this point. There is no room for questioning their assertion that vaccines are safe. And when they say vaccines are safe they mean that fewer people will suffer from side effects from vaccines than would suffer from the flu, as an example. They are not saying that vaccines never hurt anyone. Some people would rather play in a lightning storm than play Russian Roulette, even if the gun has half a million barrels.

You said you disagreed, but I am uncertain as to the point of disagreement. I offered a very specific exmaple of staying home from work when you have a cold for a comparison. You coluld rewrite your post almost line-for-line on that same issue (as I did below). The only issue of disagreement, and I don't think you may have felt this way, was the comparison of "lightning storm" and "Russian roulette", when a more apt comparison would have been "lightning storm"(unvaccinated) and "mumblety-peg" (vaccinated). Perhaps you thought "personal responsibility" meant choice was not involved? Everyone chooses which of their responsibilities to their communities they will live up to, but vaccination is one of them. It protects others, not just the person being vaccinated.

Anyway, if someone is concerned about deadlines and losing sick time I think they have every right to go into work. They don't owe it to me and my family to stay home. People should be able to choose if they want to take their chances with a contagion threat that cannot be completely controlled or predicted vs staying home for an indefinite period of time.

Just like with climate change, the "scientific community" will allow no dissention on this point. There is no room for questioning their assertion that working sick spreads disease. And when they say diseases spread they mean that fewer people will contract the disease in my home than would contract the disease at my workplace, as an example. They are not saying that the people I live with would never get sick from my staying home. Some people would rather risk infecting their coworkers than risk infecting their family.

 

[franklin]

Backwhen I worked at Anthem, they sent out a series of company-wide emails discussing the 7 reasons for rising costs. It's been a while, but aging was #1, innovation #3 or 4. This was back in the days of Clinton.

Finally getting around to responding to this...

If age is the main driver of rising costs then I fail to see why it's viewed as such an economic distress signal. For starters, the older are by and large the wealthy class. They've also always had to deal with higher costs to maintain health. How does increasing the number of, say, 50+ individuals strain anything at the micro level any more than in the past?

As older citizens are wealthier on average, this proves a great driver of economic growth and healthy wealth transfer to the younger generation as they're able to work for what they receive at reasonable wages.

 

[Scat]

If age is the main driver of rising costs then I fail to see why it's viewed as such an economic distress signal. For starters, the older are by and large the wealthy class. They've also always had to deal with higher costs to maintain health. How does increasing the number of, say, 50+ individuals strain anything at the micro level any more than in the past?

As older citizens are wealthier on average, this proves a great driver of economic growth and healthy wealth transfer to the younger generation as they're able to work for what they receive at reasonable wages.

Except for that at the age of 65 these wealthy, older individuals, for the most part, are no longer paying for their health care. It is we younger, less wealthy individuals via our taxes through Medicare. It is only elective surgeries such as face lifts, lipo and Lasix that they pay out of pocket.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

Millions are allergic to corn, wheat, peanuts, tree nuts, pollen, bee stings, milk, eggs, fish, soy, fruit, cats, dogs, mold, metals, and male reproductive fluid.

You're probably against chemically extracted iodine too, but have a bottle of iodide crystals on the shelf of your bunker just in case of nuclear fallout.

I'd run off and find a chart of life expectancy correlated with chemical processing, but I have this pressing puzzle:

Why do you have the key number of the illuminati in your username TWICE? I'm starting to suspect you as a false flag disinformation agent. How much are the Rockefeller foundations paying you? You CFR, that it?

Haha this is awesome. I wish I was getting paid by the Rockefeller's.......
I hate the CFR completely, and I'm just a dude that works and goes home.
I can tell your giving me ****, and don't take anything seriously anyway.....

 

[TroutBum]

A vaccine (such as a flu shot) protects not only you, but every immune-compromised person you encounter. It's every but as much a personal responsibility to get one as it is to stay home from work when you have a cold, as an example.

I got one flu shot and it made me sicker than I've ever been. I'm never getting another one. I am all about my fellow man, but my fellow man can kiss my fellow *** -- I'm never going through that **** again.

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Haha this is awesome. I wish I was getting paid by the Rockefeller's.......
I hate the CFR completely, and I'm just a dude that works and goes home.
I can tell your giving me ****, and don't take anything seriously anyway.....

Is that your picture in your avatar? If so, you do kind of have that Madame Blavatsky/Theosophical society vibe going on.

 

[babe]

OB is apparently On Board for the duration.

Well, I worked for a few years in labs where immunology was the point of research. I was the pair of hands who made monoclonal antibodies, purified them, and tested their effectiveness.

Before that, I innoculated little animals with various proteins so they would develop useful antibodies which I could use later to identify or track those specific proteins in human blood circulation. Oh, ya, I had to collect the blood specimens from the people with the diseases too. And put it all through a lot of purification steps to isolate them, and then prepare them for the amino acid sequencer, and so forth. That was about the time DNA techniques were coming into use for the same studies.

Well, having some knowledge of how vaccines are made, including the media used in their production, and all that is not done to clean them up, the fact is for every vaccine you receive, you're being "vaccinated" for a lot of other proteins too. You will develop antibodies to these substances, mostly animal proteins with large homologies with human proteins that serve the same general functions in living systems, and with a statistical certainty you will develop autoimmune disease of some kind. Mostly inconsequential perhaps in a normal life span, and those that become debilitating conditions occur at some rate in humans anyway, so we'll be slow to accept the vaccines as a proven cause, like in the case of autism.

I still use vaccines in my work, and I understand the debates over pros and cons. I go out of my way to get communicable diseases from natural sources so I will develop natural immunity without exposing myself to those autoimmune diseases. Well, I think I'd take a vaccine for some of the more horrible ones, but the flu isn't on that list. For about ten years of the past twelve, I've had several bouts of the flu. Three years ago I think I had the bird flu or whatever it was that was the most feared thing ever at that time, and it was pretty awful. But I just haven't got anything since.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but comments like those I've seen here by the Silencer sorta put me on OB's team, somewhat. But I still think the government is incompetent in the whole medical field, and we need a complete wall of separation between the Government and Personal Health.

 

[LogGrad98]

I will say I cannot stand the kids that get the perfect attendance awards in school when I know for a fact they came to school 3 times sick as dogs and infected everyone else in their classes, which spread to the rest of my family, so my kids and I missed days of school and work. ******** is what that is. That should be called the "typhoid mary" award.

 

[babe]

Yah, well, in my world schools wouldn't keep track of attendance, would use computerized courses you have to access with some kind of PIN, and wouldn't give grades. A student would have to show up in person at a testing center and take whatever test is required for a certificate of completion. I wouldn't object to those scores being on a permanent record that could be shown to other schools, colleges, or employers. Well, they'd all be private schools needing to certify to competency/completion to get paid, and whoever is paying the tuition should have someone there to make sure they're not being cheated on the real education.

If I ran the Boy Scouts I'd separate the badge judges from the local leadership somehow to achieve the same level of separation of teaching and testing. No business worth its salt has the same people making the product and certifying it's acceptable quality.

When I'm sick I stay at home, and if I need to go anywhere I give advance notice of the contagion prospects. Well, I have a lot of nephews and neices, a really big tribe has adopted me. They get excited when a kid gets the measles, and all the moms with toddlers old enough to pick it up haul them right over. It's a lot better to get it when you're young. Adults can die from it, but kids don't. My kids do a good job of bringing whatever is going around home for me. I might not avoid some things, but I think others should have the choice about getting it from me.

When I was in required attendance sorts of jobs, where anybody calling in sick was considered a crybaby, it was because even at work it could be arranged pretty well to stay out of other peoples' ways.

Immune systems are sometimes incapacitated or in low functional states, and even the flu can be deadly. Old folks with compromised lung/heart conditions would do well to take the flu vaccine as doctors generally recommend. Dictating one size fits all medical protocols have some down side effects sometimes. The government is incompetent to make all these choices for individuals, and individuals deserve the right to choose. I'd be in favor of private well-care/family care providers who would contract with their clients to do the tests needed to make critical decisions about their care. As long as the client can walk out and go to a competitor, they have the most fundament power of choice, and a fair chance at getting good advice.

Obamacare is going to take away effective personal power in our most critical personal decisions. . . . those that directly impact our very lives. Nobody in their right mind, with any intelligence at all, should be wanting that. But of course few of us are in our right minds anymore, in direct result from our "educators".

 

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... and with a statistical certainty you will develop autoimmune disease of some kind. Mostly inconsequential perhaps in a normal life span, and those that become debilitating conditions occur at some rate in humans anyway, so we'll be slow to accept the vaccines as a proven cause, like in the case of autism.

So, you're posulating the existence of a slew of auto-immune-diseased people with no dicernible symptoms. Is that like the minature elepahts that make electricity work?

Also, people are not being slow to accept vaccines cause autism, because when you use the same diagnostic criteria for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, levels of vaccination show no correspondance to levels of autism.

 

[bordelais7]

while in the Navy I got a butt-ton of vaccines

Well done on your choice of wording.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

Is that your picture in your avatar? If so, you do kind of have that Madame Blavatsky/Theosophical society vibe going on.

Yeah that is me in the avatar.
Interesting call, because "The Secret Doctrine" is interesting.
The occult, not so much.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

So, you're posulating the existence of a slew of auto-immune-diseased people with no dicernible symptoms. Is that like the minature elepahts that make electricity work?

Also, people are not being slow to accept vaccines cause autism, because when you use the same diagnostic criteria for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, levels of vaccination show no correspondance to levels of autism.

I disagree.
Reason being is one of the major causes of Autism happens to be the heavy metal mercury.
Most vaccines contain a preservative called "Thimerosal", which contain this heavy metal.

 

[TheSilencer1313]

OB is apparently On Board for the duration.

Well, I worked for a few years in labs where immunology was the point of research. I was the pair of hands who made monoclonal antibodies, purified them, and tested their effectiveness.

Before that, I innoculated little animals with various proteins so they would develop useful antibodies which I could use later to identify or track those specific proteins in human blood circulation. Oh, ya, I had to collect the blood specimens from the people with the diseases too. And put it all through a lot of purification steps to isolate them, and then prepare them for the amino acid sequencer, and so forth. That was about the time DNA techniques were coming into use for the same studies.

Well, having some knowledge of how vaccines are made, including the media used in their production, and all that is not done to clean them up, the fact is for every vaccine you receive, you're being "vaccinated" for a lot of other proteins too. You will develop antibodies to these substances, mostly animal proteins with large homologies with human proteins that serve the same general functions in living systems, and with a statistical certainty you will develop autoimmune disease of some kind. Mostly inconsequential perhaps in a normal life span, and those that become debilitating conditions occur at some rate in humans anyway, so we'll be slow to accept the vaccines as a proven cause, like in the case of autism.

I still use vaccines in my work, and I understand the debates over pros and cons. I go out of my way to get communicable diseases from natural sources so I will develop natural immunity without exposing myself to those autoimmune diseases. Well, I think I'd take a vaccine for some of the more horrible ones, but the flu isn't on that list. For about ten years of the past twelve, I've had several bouts of the flu. Three years ago I think I had the bird flu or whatever it was that was the most feared thing ever at that time, and it was pretty awful. But I just haven't got anything since.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but comments like those I've seen here by the Silencer sorta put me on OB's team, somewhat. But I still think the government is incompetent in the whole medical field, and we need a complete wall of separation between the Government and Personal Health.

Correction: We need a complete seperation of government from everything but national defense and preserving sound money.