Should the Jazz renegotiate and extend Favors next year?

[Stifle Tower]

Are you still say we can trade Favors? I saw this this morning and I see again now all day with this one huh?

Huh? I have REPEATEDLY said I LOVE Favors and trading him, IMO, would be a HUGE mistake. Are you franklin's alt because you keep accusing me of saying things I haven't said. What I HAVE said all along is that I think Lindsey has been more than willing to trade Derrick for two years now. And I expect next year we'll also hear "rumors." As for looking up the definition, Joe, I don't need to do. Once general specifics have been leaked, you know there were some serious negotiations taking place. That was last season, of course. This year, they only allegedly flirted with Paul Millsap. The rumors of dangling Favors were never substantiated.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Seriously, TPP, Joe and franklin need reading comprehension classes. At LEAST fishonjazz is arguing a specific point. The other three just return to trying to put false statements out about what I've said. Hey, have you three (or maybe 2?) ever thought about politics?

 

[fishonjazz]

So then we don't have a problem. Whether DL has initiated or reacted to queries, Favors has been shopped. And I doubt ANY player likes hearing his name come up year after year in rumors. I know it's not the same in the corporate world, but if I heard Disney was trying to get me "traded" to WB or Universal, I wouldn't have the same sense of loyalty for my employer. And the next time I came up for a contract, I'd try to squeeze every last dollar I could out of them.

For me shop means that the jazz don't want a player and are trying to get rid of him even if they don't get a great package in return.

I don't think it's shopping a player to listen to offers. Maybe that is where we disagree

 

[Maneesh]

Seriously, TPP, Joe and franklin need reading comprehension classes. At LEAST fishonjazz is arguing a specific point. The other three just return to trying to put false statements out about what I've said. Hey, have you three (or maybe 2?) ever thought about politics?

Well you keep say all this I just read you say it another thread about Larsen. I wish you would stop to. I can't help you. I'm sorry.

 

[Maneesh]

I think people call jazz and want him. Jazz say no. End of story. Stop make conspiracy.

 

[Stifle Tower]

For me shop means that the jazz don't want a player and are trying to get rid of him even if they don't get a great package in return.

I don't think it's shopping a player to listen to offers. Maybe that is where we disagree

Yes, I guess we disagree on the definition. To me:
1. Dump "means that the jazz don't want a player and are trying to get rid of him even if they don't get a great package in return."

2. Shop means DL calls GM's around the league saying Favors is available for the right price.

3. Listen to offers means DL is receiving calls from other GM's asking if player X or Y can be had.

To me, there is a huge difference between #2 and #3. I think Lindsey probably fielded a ton of calls about Gobert last season. I don't think the term would have ever been used that he was "shopped." Kanter was definitely shopped and then dumped.

 

[fishonjazz]

2. Shop means DL calls GM's around the league saying Favors is available for the right price.
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I don't think has happened though

 

[Stifle Tower]

I don't think has happened though

I think it did last season when the Jazz tried to move up to #1. Of course, there's also the possibility that the Jazz' offer did NOT include Favors and that was the sticking point. I can entertain that possibility.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think it did last season when the Jazz tried to move up to #1. Of course, there's also the possibility that the Jazz' offer did NOT include Favors and that was the sticking point. I can entertain that possibility.

Even if it did include favors we were taking about the #1 pick and a guy thought to be a future superstar.
That is definitely a trade that you look into.
If favors was offended by that then that is on him. This is a business and wiggins looks to be special. Favors should want his gm looking into things like that. It's better than a gm that does not even consider making a move for a superstar type player

 

[Stifle Tower]

Even if it did include favors we were taking about the #1 pick and a guy thought to be a future superstar.
That is definitely a trade that you look into.
If favors was offended by that then that is on him. This is a business and wiggins looks to be special. Favors should want his gm looking into things like that. It's better than a gm that does not even consider making a move for a superstar type player

But players are people...isn't that what was said in condemning the tweets about Burke? I'd be offended by a team supposedly looking into trading me for two years in a row. Put yourself in his position. Would you be more or less likely to re-sign with that team in two years? Would you be more or less likely to take less money to stay with that team? I know what I'd do. I'd use the same line that teams do: basketball is a business. And since I'm just as likely to NOT be around with Team X (since they've allegedly put me on the block a couple of times), I'll go to the highest bidder.

Utah is trying to set themselves apart as a team that develops players. They've talked big about how important team chemistry is. To trade a key starter? I think that would kind of send a different message.

 

[fishonjazz]

But players are people...isn't that what was said in condemning the tweets about Burke? I'd be offended by a team supposedly looking into trading me for two years in a row. Put yourself in his position. Would you be more or less likely to re-sign with that team in two years? Would you be more or less likely to take less money to stay with that team? I know what I'd do. I'd use the same line that teams do: basketball is a business. And since I'm just as likely to NOT be around with Team X (since they've allegedly put me on the block a couple of times), I'll go to the highest bidder.

Utah is trying to set themselves apart as a team that develops players. They've talked big about how important team chemistry is. To trade a key starter? I think that would kind of send a different message.

I guess first of all I would think to myself...... Wow all these teams seem to want me, yet the jazz seem to want me even more since they didn't do any of the trades.
Then I would ask myself if I like living in Utah, if I like the organization, if I like my coaches, if I like my teammates.
Then I would ask myself if I think my team will have a chance to be contenders in a couple years, if I will get a good amount of minutes.

Then base my future decisions off the answers to those questions

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I guess first of all I would think to myself...... Wow all these teams seem to want me, yet the jazz seem to want me even more since they didn't do any of the trades.
Then I would ask myself if I like living in Utah, if I like the organization, if I like my coaches, if I like my teammates.
Then I would ask myself if I think my team will have a chance to be contenders in a couple years, if I will get a good amount of minutes.

Then base my future decisions off the answers to those questions

Fish doing a hell of a job explaining the argument that all but Stifle are making regarding this situation. So far every indication I've seen is that management, players (with the sole exception of Kanter) and ownership are all handling things in a very healthy and professional manner. Everyone seems to be on the same page and they appear to be united in the belief that something special is going on. I believe this is a sign of exceptional leadership, and while I'm not 100% sure who deserves the most credit, I think there are many people in all three groups mentioned above who deserve some of it.

 

[fishonjazz]

Fwiw, I really like stifle tower and think he is a fantastic poster. And I agree that favors might have been a little upset when he heard his name in trade talks. But I would bet that management called favors in at some point and told him how valuable he is to the jazz and how much they want him to be a part of the future of the jazz.
I bet management and favors squashed their "beef" (no homo. Squashed their beef sounds kinda gay)

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Exclusive fly on the wall video of the meeting Fish is referring to:

 

[framer]

Bah, Favors is a lot more valuable playing next to Gobert than he was next to Kanter. With Kanter as a cornerstone the Jazz were a lot closer to blowing things up than they were to starting to contend. If someone had called two years ago inquiring about Favors for Wiggins, every one but Favor's mother takes that call. The emergence of Rudy has changed a lot, meaning our core is no longer fundamentally flawed and it would take a silly absurd offer for anyone to consider breaking it up.

 

[fishonjazz]

Exclusive fly on the wall video of the meeting Fish is referring to:

Lol.
I love Charlie.

I just watched horrible bosses 2 the other night (it got horrible reviews) and I laughed my *** off. I thought it was hilarious. I even taped it so I can watch it again sometime

 

[fishonjazz]

Bah, Favors is a lot more valuable playing next to Gobert than he was next to Kanter. With Kanter as a cornerstone the Jazz were a lot closer to blowing things up than they were to starting to contend. If someone had called two years ago inquiring about Favors for Wiggins, every one but Favor's mother takes that call. The emergence of Rudy has changed a lot, meaning our core is no longer fundamentally flawed and it would take a silly absurd offer for anyone to consider breaking it up.

This.
I wanted to trade favors and our pick for wiggins. (Adding Burks was too much for me)

But favors has improved and him and Gobert are lethal together.

Last year at draft time I would have loved to trade favors for wiggins....... Now I still might but I might not too. It would be alot tougher decision

 

[Stoked]

I think there's a huge difference between hearing a team's pitch and being the one trying to initiate talks. From the rumors we heard its Lindsey who is actively trying to trade Derrick. That's where I have an issue...if true. Of course a GM is going to listen to other GM's when they call.

I don't. It means you want player x and want to know what it will take to get him. Then deciding if it is worth it. That is a GM looking at improving his team. Exactly what I want the Jazz FO doing.

Good for Lindsey for looking at all the posibilities. I doubt that the Jazz want to get rid of Favors but will consider it for the right move.

You are reading far to much into it imo. In fact the only other one I have seen make that argument is Hack.

 

[Batman]

No, because they'll again try to trade him. I fully believe he's been on the market for 2 years. QS wants the long ball. If/when they trade Derrick it will be one of the worst mistakes ever.

I think you are so off your rocker! Why would we want to trade Favs? Great guy,loves being here, Great contract, Underrated, team player, defensive asset, improving range game. And what the hell are we gonna get that is as good or more valuable than Favors? Anderson from the pellies? Hell no!

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I think there's a huge difference between hearing a team's pitch and being the one trying to initiate talks. From the rumors we heard its Lindsey who is actively trying to trade Derrick. That's where I have an issue...if true. Of course a GM is going to listen to other GM's when they call.

Huh?
The rumor last year is that the Jazz wanted to trade up and were offering their pick + Favors. How is that not "shopping" Derrick?
And the rumor this year (granted it is shaky from Jody's source) is that the Jazz were interested in Millsap and were looking to trade Derrick.

In both cases, the rumors from sources were presented as if the Jazz were the instigators, not that they were merely listening to offers that had come their way. And what "drama" am I ramping up? I'm merely saying it appears the Jazz have tried to shop Derrick. And if I were him, I'd be offended. Wouldn't that be the case with any one of us?

Seems like it got pretty serious last year before one of the teams backed out. As I recall, the sticking point was that more was wanted from the Jazz (Burks and another 1st rounder). Maybe I'm misremembering, but the story was that DL wouldn't include Alec...and then the trade fell apart. To me, that represents pretty good proof that DL was very willing to give up Derrick. And it's also one of the reasons I tend to believe Jody's source.

Show me these rumors that DL instigated the Favors rumor and in my opinion Millsaps people started the Millsaps to Utah rumors to gain leverage in contract negotiations.

I think you are so off your rocker! Why would we want to trade Favs? Great guy,loves being here, Great contract, Underrated, team player, defensive asset, improving range game. And what the hell are we gonna get that is as good or more valuable than Favors? Anderson from the pellies? Hell no!

U took ur meds today. I'm impressed