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Should we trade Millsap for a great Point Guard?

Matthew Thomas Castleton

Matthew Thomas Castleton

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I think that it is a question that needs serious consideration. He seems to be the Jazz's biggest trade piece that could get us what we need. We have a loaded front court while we are weak at PG. I hate to say it, but Paul might be the odd man out. We have a player in Jeremy Evans sitting on the bench that should be playing major minutes. Whenever he is on the floor good things seem to happen for the Jazz. Here is one that I think could possibly work:

Jazz get:

Rajon Rondo, Jermaine O'Neal

Celtics get:

Paul Millsap, Devin Harris

This trade works on ESPN's NBA Trade Machine as well as on RealGM.com. Both Millsap and Rondo are fringe All-Stars. Harris would go to Boston to make room for Rondo. O'Neal would come to Utah to make the contracts match and he is also an expiring contract. O'Neal would probably never play for the Jazz.

Utah:
PG: Rajon Rondo, Earl Watson, Jamaal Tinsley
SG: Raja Bell, C.J. Miles, Alec Burks
SF: Gordon Hayward, Josh Howard
PF: Derrick Favors, Jeremy Evans, Jermaine O'Neal
C: Al Jefferson, Enes Kanter, Jermaine O'Neal

Boston:
PG: Devin Harris, Avery Bradley
SG: Ray Allen, Marquis Daniels
SF: Paul Pierce, Michael Pietrus
PF: Paul Millsap, Brandon Bass
C: Kevin Garnett, Chris Wilcox
 
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Weezur said:
Quit with the Rondo-ness...please
I ....I just can't take any more of it
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Why? Because the thought of a pass-first point guard is somehow upsetting? Ya, it would sure suck to have a guy average over 10 assists a game.

*edit* He's second in the league right now with 9.6 apg, while averaging almost 14ppg. As an afterthought, he's also averaging almost 5 rebounds (as a point guard!), almost 2 steals, while shooting 50% from the floor.

I can totally see why you can't take anymore of it.
 
TroutBum said:
Why? Because the thought of a pass-first point guard is somehow upsetting? Ya, it would sure suck to have a guy average over 10 assists a game.

*edit* He's second in the league right now with 9.6 apg, while averaging almost 14ppg. As an afterthought, he's also averaging almost 5 rebounds (as a point guard!), almost 2 steals, while shooting 50% from the floor.

I can totally see why you can't take anymore of it.
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Thanks for that. Rondo would nearly be perfect for our team. He would give us basically everything that we are lacking right now (defensive ability, athleticism, scoring, and a pass-first mentality). We would be much more effective against teams with players like Chris Paul, Darren Collison, Russell Westbrook, and Stephen Curry... (all the teams that we have lost to this month to the lay person).
 
Matthew Thomas Castleton said:
Thanks for that. Rondo would nearly be perfect for our team. He would give us basically everything that we are lacking right now (defensive ability, athleticism, scoring, and a pass-first mentality). We would be much more effective against teams with players like Chris Paul, Darren Collison, Russell Westbrook, and Stephen Curry... (all the teams that we have lost to this month to the lay person).
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Screw the scoring, we've got plenty. Imagine the efficiency increase though, of having at least 10 easy dimes per night from a PG who is actually looking to run an offense and dish the ball. With the talent we have, a pass-first PG is an absolute must.
 
Our core group will need a season or three to fully mature and I'd like a PG that will be around their prime during that period. Rondo's name most likely gets thrown around every time a basketball forum talks about acquiring a PG- I'm not saying it won't happen but as long as we are speculating maybe we should consider some others too. Since we have a ways to go anyway though it isn't as important that we get that PG right now. I'd rather us get the right fit than just fill the spot hastily (twss).
 
TroutBum said:
Why? Because the thought of a pass-first point guard is somehow upsetting? Ya, it would sure suck to have a guy average over 10 assists a game.

*edit* He's second in the league right now with 9.6 apg, while averaging almost 14ppg. As an afterthought, he's also averaging almost 5 rebounds (as a point guard!), almost 2 steals, while shooting 50% from the floor.

I can totally see why you can't take anymore of it.
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I've read like 5 of these trade "____" for Rondo threads, that's why I can't take it.
Look, I'll admit I haven't seen him play much, but I just don't see him averaging that many assists in a Jazz offense.
First off, a TON of his assists have come from Ray Allen spot up/fast break 3s. That won't happen.
Second, the PG/PF pick n roll the Jazz run needs the point gaurd to be a midway scoring threat otherwise the opposing gaurd can just sag off to the big man.
Finally, every Big Al post up (There are a ton of these lately) I've seen goes like this:
Post Al. Milsap gets ready for the offensive rebound, 3 wings on the 3 point line that SHOULD be able to shoot 3s otherwise the double team won't bother going back.

Also, the Celtics are 29th in points in the paint.....what that says is that most of Rondo's assists are likely coming from mid-range and 3 point jumpers....a quality the Jazz don't have. I also think that Doc plays moneyball defense and makes opponents shoot the mid ranged jumper (worst shot in the NBA). He uses that same idea in his offense and has his players shooting more mid ranged jumpers than the NBA average because then the Celtics have an advantage over teams that let you shoot those mid-ranged jumpers.

I'd love a pass first PG though...watching Tinsley vs. Golden State was probably one of my fav game.
 
Should we trade millsap?
Are you kidding me? he is the last person to be traded in this team, millsap became millsap in utah, utah is his home and he is one of the most efficient players in the league considering his productivity/salary ratio. Forget trading him, just find better ideas how to keep him in the team with a close amount of money to what he is getting now
 
I've flip flopped more than Romney, and Kerry on Millsap(and Al).

Just two days I felt at peace thinking we go forward with him over Big Al.
Now after a few nights of drunken sleep thanks to the lovely beer brewed around the corner, my mind wanders.
This must be what Mitt goes through.

I've always said that Sap isn't the starting PF on a championship team. Still feel that way.
I guess it's hard because I, and many of you, like Paul the person. He fits in well, works hard, and overachieves.
He also has big games, and has been clutch. What's not to like? So, why the constant flip flopping.
Well, first off this has happened before. Paul starts out of the gate like a monster, all star is tossed around, and then he fades.
See last year.

I think he's playing hurt again, which he did last year. Got to give props for that.
I guess I'm accepting the fact that's he's not good enough to play hurt, and succeed at a high level.
Watching OKC last night I realized our starters have to bring it almost every night, and are not. They can't have too many off games, esp
at home with a 2 game losing streak behind them. Paul would be a blessing as a 6th man coming off the bench, or paired with Kanter or Favors.
I just can't stand watching Paul, and Big Al start together anymore, and that's what we are stuck with.

It really doesn't matter which one goes. Big Al or Paul. One just has to. Today I just don't care if it's Sap.
Who knows what tomorrow brings...

- written naked in my bubble bath. (true story)
 
Revolution 9 said:
I've flip flopped more than Romney, and Kerry on Millsap(and Al).

Just two days I felt at peace thinking we go forward with him over Big Al.
Now after a few nights of drunken sleep thanks to the lovely beer brewed around the corner, my mind wanders.
This must be what Mitt goes through.

I've always said that Sap isn't the starting PF on a championship team. Still feel that way.
I guess it's hard because I, and many of you, like Paul the person. He fits in well, works hard, and overachieves.
He also has big games, and has been clutch. What's not to like? So, why the constant flip flopping.
Well, first off this has happened before. Paul starts out of the gate like a monster, all star is tossed around, and then he fades.
See last year.

I think he's playing hurt again, which he did last year. Got to give props for that.
I guess I'm accepting the fact that's he's not good enough to play hurt, and succeed at a high level.
Watching OKC last night I realized our starters have to bring it almost every night, and are not. They can't have too many off games, esp
at home with a 2 game losing streak behind them. Paul would be a blessing as a 6th man coming off the bench, or paired with Kanter or Favors.
I just can't stand watching Paul, and Big Al start together anymore, and that's what we are stuck with.

It really doesn't matter which one goes. Big Al or Paul. One just has to. Today I just don't care if it's Sap.
Who knows what tomorrow brings...

- written naked in my bubble bath. (true story)
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Great post. I've gone back and forth on what this team needs to do. 2 weeks ago I was all for keeping this team together and seeing where we were at. The fans need to be patient with this roster as it is going to take a little time.

However, I'm am now thinking that either at the trade deadline or in the off season the Jazz need to trade any or all of Millsap, AL, CJ, Bell, Watson, Harris, or Howard to acquire young talented players at PG and SF, or draft picks to get them.

I just think it is now obvious that these veterans can not carry us to the playoffs. And that in a lot of ways our younger players are already better than them (especially on the defensive end of the floor). My preference would be to move Al, Bell and Harris. But any of the other would be good for the right pieces.

I am not that high on Rondo, But he is a definite upgrade over Harris.
 
Revolution 9 said:
I've flip flopped more than Romney, and Kerry on Millsap(and Al).

Just two days I felt at peace thinking we go forward with him over Big Al.
Now after a few nights of drunken sleep thanks to the lovely beer brewed around the corner, my mind wanders.
This must be what Mitt goes through.

I've always said that Sap isn't the starting PF on a championship team. Still feel that way.
I guess it's hard because I, and many of you, like Paul the person. He fits in well, works hard, and overachieves.
He also has big games, and has been clutch. What's not to like? So, why the constant flip flopping.
Well, first off this has happened before. Paul starts out of the gate like a monster, all star is tossed around, and then he fades.
See last year.

I think he's playing hurt again, which he did last year. Got to give props for that.
I guess I'm accepting the fact that's he's not good enough to play hurt, and succeed at a high level.
Watching OKC last night I realized our starters have to bring it almost every night, and are not. They can't have too many off games, esp
at home with a 2 game losing streak behind them. Paul would be a blessing as a 6th man coming off the bench, or paired with Kanter or Favors.
I just can't stand watching Paul, and Big Al start together anymore, and that's what we are stuck with.

It really doesn't matter which one goes. Big Al or Paul. One just has to. Today I just don't care if it's Sap.
Who knows what tomorrow brings...
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I understand what you mean but... Most of the time, you understand the value of the Millsap-type player, subsequently, like when he's gone, when you don't have him anymore. I'm pretty sure, Millsap would be missed sooo much more than Big Al after a prospective trade. I don't think there are many guys who miss Carlos the I don't care Boozer much.

Revolution 9 said:
- written naked in my bubble bath. (true story)
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I closed my eyes while reading your post.
 
Revolution 9 said:
Well, first off this has happened before. Paul starts out of the gate like a monster, all star is tossed around, and then he fades.
See last year.
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Don't know why I have to repeat this so many times, but just like last year, this narrative is absolute ********. Take a look at his month to month stats last season, and try to find a trend.

Also, his numbers over his current 8-game "slump" are comparable to his numbers over the first 8 games of the season:

First 8 games: 11.9 pts (.528 TS%), 8.4 rebs, 2.0 assists, 1.8 stls, 0.9 bks, 0.9 TOs
Last 8 games: 13.4 pts (.502 TS%), 11.5 rebs, 2.1 assists, 0.9 stls, 0.8 blks, 2.4 TOs
 
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