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Ostertag>Duncan said:
Ouch brah.
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I guess I don't quite follow you, eh, OD? Are you trying to claim there was "substance" to your post, as opposed to a declaration of your conclusions alone? Are you claiming that you did not make a post for the purpose of declaring whose "side" you were on? I'm not questioning that's it's your opinion, or your right to assert it. I merely referred to the "tenor" of your prior comments to/about me.
 
I was pointing out how I saw the thread. I was not taking a side, but merely observing that in the process of trying to criticize and talk down to a mod, you made yourself look like a jerk.

The final quote and my response is not related to it.

Anyway, I'm done with all this permanently. It's no fun. That's why I come here, too have fun. You won't see me in any more of your threads that relate to this. I'm sure that will make happy. Actually you probably wont care since you don't recall 99% of my posts anyway.
 
Ostertag>Duncan said:
I was pointing out how I saw the thread. I was not taking a side, but merely observing that in the process of trying to criticize and talk down to a mod, you made yourself look like a jerk.

The final quote and my response is not related to it.
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He's thinking you took a side, because in his "victim model" people have to take sides. You're either with the victim, or you're not.
 
bordelais7 said:
Because simply "putting someone on ignore" really doesn't work. Since you tend to dominate any conversation you're a part of, reading any thread that you post in -- whether on ignore or not -- is an exercise in futility.

I'm assuming that you're smart enough to realize this, yet stubborn enough to pretend that you don't.
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It also only works if you're a registered user and signed in. It does not work otherwise. Personally, I prefer a message board that's readable to everyone, even just those who may casually stop by and aren't registered yet, or those who don't sign-in for one reason or another.

Hopper said:
I guess I don't quite follow you, eh, OD? Are you trying to claim there was "substance" to your post, as opposed to a declaration of your conclusions alone?
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what constitutes "substance" anyway?
 
Just curious...suppose a frenchman joined the board, but couldn't speak english and made all his posts in French. Further suppose that a few of the french-speakin members would respond to him in French, but noboby else understood what they were sayin. How many of you would insist that the french poster be banned, or otherwise prohibited from posting, I wonder?
 
moevillini said:
what constitutes "substance" anyway?
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Well, that might be a matter of interpretation, Mo, but here's what I had in mind.

Case 1: I say: Mo, you're a damn fool.

Case 2: I say: Mo, you're a damn fool because (x,y, and z)

In case one I have stated a conclusion, but provided no substantive reason for it. In case two I tell you "why" I think you're a fool, which would give the post some substance, as opposed to the mere raw assertion of a conclusion.
 
Hopper said:
Just curious...suppose a frenchman joined the board, but couldn't speak english and made all his posts in French. Further suppose that a few of the french-speakin members would respond to him in French, but noboby else understood what they were sayin. How many of you would insist that the french poster be banned, or otherwise prohibited from posting, I wonder?
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It's almost like when we had all those Turkish fans that joined up when Memo came over. Banning left and right, I tell ya. Thank goodness we didn't give them their own forum.
 
moevillini said:
Personally, I prefer a message board that's readable to everyone, even just those who may casually stop by and aren't registered yet, or those who don't sign-in for one reason or another.
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A few quick questions Mo.

1. You have no doubt noticed that some of the members here speak English as a second language, and they don't always say things in a way that is "readable to everyone." You have probably also noticed how frequently they get pounced on and ridiculed by certain posters. Do you support those doing the ridiculing?

2. If it were your board, would you ban such posters, and any others who didn't measure up to your standards of "readability?" Would you require that members pass the equivalent of a GED test for literacy before they could join, for example?

3. Doesn't "readability" depend in part on the comprehension skills of the reader? To have everything "readable by everyone" wouldn't you have to limit permissible post content to that which the 10-year old members could understand?
 
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Hopper said:
Just curious...suppose a frenchman joined the board, but couldn't speak english and made all his posts in French. Further suppose that a few of the french-speakin members would respond to him in French, but noboby else understood what they were sayin. How many of you would insist that the french poster be banned, or otherwise prohibited from posting, I wonder?
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I'd ban French people. Hopper is A-OK though.
 
Hopper said:
Cool, Freek, I think you know I don't begrudge you your opinion any more than want to suppress my opinions. There have been quite a few people who complain about my posting style, and the topic has come up before, but I never really addressed it in depth.

You, Blood, and others want to characterize it as "blackface," with all the negative connotatiions that carries. That's fine, but that characterization too is a product of opinion, an opinion which you, Blood, and others may think (or assume) that I share. I don't. By any stretch of the imagination.

None of the dialect I use is done so with the intention of demeaning, ridiculing, or mocking ANYBODY, black or white (and, guess what--they are MANY more white people in this country who use far from perfect grammar than black--another reason why I find the epithet of "blackface" somewhat puzzling).

I am not directing this at you, Freek, Blood, or anyone else in particular, but I have often seen an "elitist" attitude displayed by some who feel that anyone who does not speak near perfect English is not fit to be in the same room with them. They're just too good for, and can't be bothered by, those who may lack their degree of education.

You can drop me anywhere in this country and the chances are good that, with the help of locals, I won't have to go more than 5 miles to be in a household, neighborhood, or town where there is a general lack of formal education and/or accents/dialects spoken that I don't readily understand. Even so, there will be people in that community who are smarter and wiser than I am. They may not articulate their thoughts and knowledge in perfect English, but it's there all the same.

But even those lacking a high degree of intelligence are still valuable people, in my book. They have something worthwhile to offer, if you want to, and can possibly "bear" to, be around them.

As far as my posting goes, anyone who just can't bear it is free to put me on ignore. After that, I really can't see any reason for them to continue complaining. My feelings certainly won't be hurt if they want to ignore me. Yet, somehow, I get the impression that even those who have me on ignore continue to resent my presence on the board, as if my mere presence somehow defiles "their" board, ya know?
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I'm combining your two posts since they both deal with the same subject. The Blackface comments I have made in the past are more for the Amos and Andy shtick of which your posting style reminds me.

Why do I care how you write? Perhaps I care because I do find most of your basketball/blues posts to be interesting: if I can understand them. For the life of me, I don't know why you have to write "mebbe" instead of "maybe" or "richea" instead of whatever the hell you that means or many of the persona words you choose to use. If I have to read a post and try to decipher what the words are supposed to mean, I'm not sure I have time for that. That's my complaint with you. Before you were banned on the old board, your posts went from difficult to read to incomprehensible. I'm not sure why you choose to write that way.

If we were sitting and having a conversation, I'm sure I could follow it with that dialect. I can follow a verbal conversation, but when I'm trying to read the "conversation" and the words are written phonetically instead of how they should be, it makes it difficult. You may not be demeaning, ridiculing, or mocking anyone, but you sure as hell aren't making it easy to understand a damn thing you are writing.

I didn't shed a tear when you were banned on the previous board because your posts just got harder to read, so much that I felt they were little more than pollution on the board. Does this make me an elitist? Probably. I really do wish that you would post in a written way that is easy to read. That's all.
 
YB85 said:
For the life of me, I don't know why you have to write "mebbe" instead of "maybe" or "richea" instead of whatever the hell you that means or many of the persona words you choose to use. If I have to read a post and try to decipher what the words are supposed to mean, I'm not sure I have time for that. That's my complaint with you....you sure as hell aren't making it easy to understand a damn thing you are writing.
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Well, Blood, I understand what you're sayin, I really do. But sometimes making sure everyone can "easily" understand you can be a secondary consideration, ya know?

Many people have simply given up on even tryin to read a classic like "Huck Finn," because it's just takes more effort than they're willing to put forth (or perhaps no amount of effort would make it comprehensible to them). Twain knew that when he wrote it. So why would he write it that way?

The funny thing (to me, anyway) is this: If you want to make something "hard to read" or "hard to understand" for the average sports message board member, perhaps the surest way to do it is to use an advanced vocabulary. They won't know half the words, and certainly won't want to go to the effort of looking them up. But that sort of "incomprehensibility" seems to be praised by many, rather than scorned. Why is that, ya figure?
 
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YB85 said:
I didn't shed a tear when you were banned on the previous board because your posts just got harder to read, so much that I felt they were little more than pollution on the board. Does this make me an elitist? Probably. I really do wish that you would post in a written way that is easy to read. That's all.
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I mentioned Twain as an example, but you could throw im Shakespeare, Joyce, and a lot of other brilliant authors as examples too, I suppose. But let's stick with Twain for a minute. If people don't want to go to the trouble to plow through a book like Huck Finn that is "difficult" to read, I certainly wouldn't try to force them to. But, on the other hand, should they be entitled to force me "not" to read it?

There have been school boards that have banned "Huck Finn," although admittedly not because it is hard to read. The complaint has been along the lines that it's "racist," or "offensive" or such things as that. In truth, Twain's message was really anti-racist, but so what? If school board members can't see that, what difference does it make?

I say it does make a difference. Those school board members should wake up. Twain's work shouldn't be banned just because some people misconstrue it's meaning.
 
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