Snyder got out coached tonight.
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Johnson has never guarded Paul or Redick.....
He may be worn out from guarding Griffin though. His only matchups have been Griffin, Pierce, and Speights.
I think we can all agree that first Neto shot was the luckiest thing to happen in that game.
elan_prodigy
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He makes that shot all the time...
No, he literally misses it all the time. The running 1 footed baseline fader like he is the 6' tall Dirk Nowitzki might have a 5% success rate his entire career.
Joncolton
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My bad, I misread that. Thought you were talking about Ingles. Yeah, Joe Johnson played okay/mediocre tonight. He was 6-13 from the field, but 1-6 from behind the arc. He's got to find his outside stroke to be effective for us. It's the playoffs, and he needs to step up and play his best. He didn't tonight.
Hayward did.
Hill did.
Neto did.
Ingles did.
Diaw was garbage, Rodney Hood was a cipher, and Derrick Favors gets the game ball - 38 min, 6 rebounds, 0 blocks, 2 points, and a -17 for +/-.
I think Favors overall rebounding impact is much greater than 6 rebounds though. He is the only player left on our roster who can box out Jordan at all. And his front-court partners (Diaw/Johnson) combined for 3 rebounds in their minutes at the 4/5.
Jazz can't rebound without Gobert. Not much that Quin can do about it without messing up the offensive flow. It's pretty sad that Trey Lyles couldn't get in gear and make a difference.
elan_prodigy
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Isaiah 1:13
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Definitely not out-coached, just outplayed. Most of that can be attributed to a six foot nothing point guard by the name of Chris Paul that completely dismantled our defense late in the fourth quarter. Between his deft alley oops to Jordan, his handle, guile and his keen shooting touch, neither Hill or Ingles could stay with him. I guess the irony is that Chauncey Billups pointed to it at halftime as a matchup the Clips could exploit (Ingles on Paul).
Snyder's coaching? That double screen gem drawn up for Hill with eleven ticks on the clock was an absolute thing of beauty. Our pick and rolls were not working and neither was JJ's iso stuff (till crunch time late in the fourth) but I don't think you pin that on Snyder. If Snyder made a mistake it's because he can't seem to make a commitment to a backup point guard. To me, Neto is the obvious choice as he plays with composure, is quick and can fight through screens better than the others. I like Ingles for bigger assignments like Lebron, but he looked clumsy trying to stay with Paul.
Snyder's coaching? That double screen gem drawn up for Hill with eleven ticks on the clock was an absolute thing of beauty. Our pick and rolls were not working and neither was JJ's iso stuff (till crunch time late in the fourth) but I don't think you pin that on Snyder. If Snyder made a mistake it's because he can't seem to make a commitment to a backup point guard. To me, Neto is the obvious choice as he plays with composure, is quick and can fight through screens better than the others. I like Ingles for bigger assignments like Lebron, but he looked clumsy trying to stay with Paul.
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Douchebag K
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Snyder has been good, I just wish he'd try the 6 ft 6 defender with quick feet and long arms on C3P0
Disagree completely. The pick and roll defense in theory was perfect. He was having the big come out and show and then immediately sag off to recover back on Jordan if he rolled so that we could stop those alley oops. For the most part this was successful. There were a few instances where Favs went braindead, the the 4th quarter alleyoop,sagging off of a CP3 three when Jordan wasn't in the paint with a couple seconds left on the shot clock,and so forth. But overall the plan worked about as well as could be expected with the bigs who played. Quin adjusted way better than he did in game two. This loss isn't on him. This loss isn't on the players either. Sure there was the 4th quarter 6 or 7 minute stretch where we didn't score, but that didn't cost us the game. We still put up 106.
What cost us this game was the referees. Plain and simple. The Paul four point play that was an offensive foul. The Paul outright shove to the ground of Jingles that was a clear flagrant foul that wasn't called. The entire 3rd quarter where EVERY call went the Clippers way. Hayward being mugged the entire second half. The refs cost us this game.
What cost us this game was the referees. Plain and simple. The Paul four point play that was an offensive foul. The Paul outright shove to the ground of Jingles that was a clear flagrant foul that wasn't called. The entire 3rd quarter where EVERY call went the Clippers way. Hayward being mugged the entire second half. The refs cost us this game.
addictionary
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Snyder is in the league of the best coaches in the league right now. Did he get outcoached tonight? If you count not taking precautions against one sided officiating a downside to coaching points, then you are right. Doc Rivers has the "I'm comfortable because I have the plan B of refs in my pocket" kind of impression on his face during the games so much that it is annoying as heck.
Joncolton
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And Doc was working the refs tonight too, working them hard.
In regards to Coach Snyder. Personally, I don't think you can blame the coach when you lose by 5, but missed 9 free throws. Had the Jazz only missed 4 free throws, we go to over-time. Had they only missed 3 free throws, they win.
Miggs
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This. I thought Quin put the starters back in too early. It was with about 8:30 left. I'd guess they usually go back in with about 6:00 left. It seemed too reactive.
The thing that stood out the most tonight was how ****ty Favors was and looked. It wasn't just effort with him. He didn't look quite right running up and down the court. Like maybe 70%. This may be the nail in his coffin.
Miggs
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We were -17 with Favors on the court. Awful.
This isn't hindsight when I say even in the first half, he looked so bad that I was calling for Withey. Favors brought no defensive presence, didn't box out, and sucked on offense too. Maybe Withey would've brought some needed energy and could've at least somewhat stifled Deandre.
This isn't hindsight when I say even in the first half, he looked so bad that I was calling for Withey. Favors brought no defensive presence, didn't box out, and sucked on offense too. Maybe Withey would've brought some needed energy and could've at least somewhat stifled Deandre.
https://www.3ball.io/plays/Neto?playId=0021601082_563
It's that move. IDK if I would call that a step back, it's like a half a step back where he doesnt set himself and just goes off 1 foot, that's why I call it a running fader. It's a super weird shot to take and Dirk is the only person I can think of who takes this shot. It almost never goes in for Neto.
Isaiah 1:13
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Agree with your assessment of the four point play but the Ingles push not so much as at least they did call the foul on Paul and I thought that was all that was called for. Actually couldn't believe that Paul wasn't rung up when he popped Ingles in the face though earlier (play reviewed) cause it was obvious to me that it wasn't incidental. I give the refs some of the blame but more to a total mental collapse late in the fourth where the Clips went on an eleven O run and we looked like deer in the headlights.
I can't help but wonder how things could have been different if we had of signed another big like Bogut. (His injury was a freak accident, and another time and place it never happens.) I was harping all year how the backup center position was an area of need and I hate to say it but it's been borne out after the Gobert injury. Withey is soft and Favors is a shell of his former self - sorry to say it but it's true. Unfortunately we really have no other viable options in my mind. Neither Lyles or Bolomboy is big enough to stay with the freight train that is DJ.
Bunch of dumbasses in this thread.
Our offensive rating was 120 tonight, and was not why we lost this game.