I have to commend the persistence One Brow has. He has embraced his views whole heartedly. I think his views are misguided and illogical but I admire his resolve and intelligence.
So I want to talk about the Mormons
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I have to commend the persistence One Brow has. He has embraced his views whole heartedly. I think his views are misguided and illogical but I admire his resolve and intelligence.
I have no idea. Are you claiming that, among books claiming to be Scripture and first printed in the US within the general time frame of, say, 1810-1850, that the Book of Mormon contains a significantly higher number of Hebraisms? Or, were you thinking I would compare it to other works that were not scriptural, even after I said that it's being scriptural was a significant factor in it's word usage? To which books would we make a fair comparison?
Is this site reliable?
https://history.lds.org/article/doctrine-and-covenants-oliver-cowdery?lang=eng
It says we don't know much about it, except it didn't seem to work. At least Cowdery was good with a diving rod. Otherwise, you might think it was all superstition.
No.
I have no doubt. When was the last time someone in authority told you, or your parents, to "go back to Europe"? Your statement is a great sign you have completely missed the point, in such a profound way that it's difficult to explain it briefly.
What you see as contributing, I see as illuminating.
Don't worry, no one expects you to care. This doesn't affect anyone you care about.
You see focusing on our differences as illuminating. I see it as something that is ultimately irrelevant. You want us to focus on those things that seperate us and I say that as long as we focus on the differences then we will never truly get anywhere.
If you want to make true progress on any sort of divide, wether it be religious bigotry, racism, sexism..., then focus on what brings us together instead of what forces us apart.
Why does a Mormon have to be Momorn and an African American an African America. Can't they just be Americans and that's it?
You have no real clue wether that is true or not.
CONAN
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Your response to me was pretty heavy on the assumption and toolish besides so get off your high horse. I just pointed that out and that got your panties in a bunch. Whatever.
CONAN
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Geez, you even assmegged your straw man.
Just answer the questions and stop blaming everyone for your own shortcomings.
Me pointing out that you are a self righteous prick means my panties are in a bunch? K.
So much for asking questions like he wanted.
I don't know what other books you should compare it to, but if imitating Hebrew idioms is something that would happen "automatically", then surely you can find at least one. No?
As to what I am claiming, I said that in my earlier post: when taken as a whole, the nature and extent of Hebrew idioms, language structures, and poetry, are pretty convincing evidence to me of the Hebrew nature of the source text. I'm not saying that it will be convincing evidence to everyone, so it doesn't surprise me at all that it's not convincing to you. But it is to me.
Sure, lds.org is the official LDS church website. Should be reliable. And actually, surprisingly enough you've stumbled across a part of the website I didn't even realize existed (history.lds.org).
That's the main thing, I guess. That's evidence that the nature of the translation process involved the translator himself, which was my previous point. It wasn't just a "magic act" that completely bypassed the translator, which is what you were implying before.
No need to get snippy.
The ability to change belongs to the people empowered by the social structure. Calling yourself an American doesn't stop people from checking you for horns. Calling yourself an American doesn't stop police from pulling you over based on skin color. When it happens a few times, you can shrug it off. When it's a daily thing, it's a problem with society.
Sometimes your statements can reveal things you never intended, such as how privileged you are. Mellow can always say I'm wrong.
That way you can have your fun lol.
It is a societal problem but adding to it does not help. We are all still responsible for or own actions and choices. If you choose to act in a way that is counter productive then that is on you.
Archie Moses
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Even today, among religious people whose only book is the KJV, I hear anachronisms like "thee" and "thou" when they are trying to evoke Scriptural authority or make paraphrases of Scripture. Since the KJV was the only widely published Bible (AFAIK) in the US at the time, it would have been what Smith thought of as religious literature. When dictating religious literature, it's usage is what he would have gone to. This is true whether his translations (you just said he had significant personal flexibility in the translation process) were real, hallucinatory, or faked; he used what he thought of as religious language. I'm not sure why you think this is controversial.
No problem. It seems to me a lot like The Bible Code, but I certainly don't expect you to see it that way.
Happy to offer a positive contribution.
Sorry. I'm take it the LDS today think divining rods are nothing but superstition?
When I'm wrong, I learn something. That is fun.
If mellow says he has a certain skin color, I'm not going to say he's lying. Why would he bother?
Many people find it more productive than counter-productive.