Soccer referee in coma after being punched by unhappy teenager player.

[Revolution 9]

And that's it right there. If we put this kid who lost his temper, like a kid, in the adult system we are essentially guaranteeing ourselves that upon his release he'll be useless as a productive member of society and will almost certainly turn to crime and do even more harm to society. Forgetting about the kid for a minute, that's not a good deal for the rest of us.

Let this kid deal with this through the juvenile system. It might be light on destructive vengeance according to some of your tastes, but it provides for the possibility that this kid won't turn into an adult who's only contribution to society is more crime and violence.

It all depends on how he is now. If he is already lost then there is very little we can do for him.
If it truly was a decent kid who lost his cool then I agree adult jail time makes no sense.

If I'm the judge I find out more about this kid. What kind of student is he. What do his peers say about him.
If he is a problem child that has a record of causing problems then it's already too late.

 

[Revolution 9]

"Portillo's oldest daughter says it wasn't the first time a soccer player assaulted her father. Johana Portillo says the referee has had ribs and legs broken by players angry with his calls."

What the hell ? Doesn't this seem very unusual?

Sounds like this league should have been shut down a long time ago. Either certain players needed to be kicked out, better security, or the entire thing shut down.
If this is true there is blame for the league organizers who allowed this to continue.

 

[Nate505]

And that's it right there. If we put this kid who lost his temper, like a kid, in the adult system we are essentially guaranteeing ourselves that upon his release he'll be useless as a productive member of society and will almost certainly turn to crime and do even more harm to society. Forgetting about the kid for a minute, that's not a good deal for the rest of us.

Let this kid deal with this through the juvenile system. It might be light on destructive vengeance according to some of your tastes, but it provides for the possibility that this kid won't turn into an adult who's only contribution to society is more crime and violence.

I don't think there is much hope for this kid in society. Anyone who would punch another person possibly to death has shown they are a total menace. It wouldn't bother me at all if he spends his life until his 40s in prison, and hopefully by then all the testosterone will be out of his system and maybe then he'll be less of a danger to society.

 

[Nate505]

He punched a guy. That's what he did. I guess every 17 year old male who ever punches anyone should be summarily executed because they are clearly a lost cause?

He aimed for the head. The only purpose of punching someone in the head is to cause significant injury.

This is assuming that the punch directly led to the injury too, and not that he had some preexisting condition that would have caused any light touch or whatever to the head to cause the injury.

EDIT: I guess the guy died. At the very least this kid should be in juvi until he's 21 or whatever and then should do 10-20 years of community service. One slip up should send him prison for voluntary manslaughter.

 

[Gameface]

I don't think there is much hope for this kid in society. Anyone who would punch another person possibly to death has shown they are a total menace. It wouldn't bother me at all if he spends his life until his 40s in prison, and hopefully by then all the testosterone will be out of his system and maybe then he'll be less of a danger to society.

I've punched people in the head on about a dozen different occasions...as a juvenile. I've never punched another person as an adult. I disagree that it is a clear sign that this kid is a worthless human being.

People are not clockwork organisms, afterall.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I've punched people in the head on about a dozen different occasions...as a juvenile. I've never punched another person as an adult. I disagree that it is a clear sign that this kid is a worthless human being.

People are not clockwork organisms, afterall.

Did any of them die?

 

[The Thriller]

He punched a guy. That's what he did. I guess every 17 year old male who ever punches anyone should be summarily executed because they are clearly a lost cause?

So!?

Why is under population a risk?

I say the more people executed, the better!

If it causes people to think twice before they do stupid things, awesome! All while we use population control. And since everyone involved was Hispanic, repubs should love this too. The kid was probably an anchor baby. With this kid locked up for the next 40 years why not deport his family now? This needs to serve as a wake up call to our Utah Latino community.

Oh, btw; the dead father was uninsured. Who is going to pay for their medical bills and funeral?

Yet, we are worried about the kid's future???? About the murderer's life!???

Give me a break.

 

[The Thriller]

I get so tired of the senseless violence driven by kids and their annoying parents in sports. They thrive on society's understanding and compassion today. I say, try the kid as an adult. Did he mean to kill anybody? Surely not. But that doesn't bring this poor man back to his family. Did he mean to do harm? Absolutely.

These leagues are notorious for their violence. This isn't the first time a ref got hurt here. The difference is, no one would have known about this had he just escaped with a bloody nose or black eye. If anything, this can serve as an example to the Latin community here. Soccer is important, sure. But it's time to tone it down a notch.

Here in America we seem to look in horror at cases like the malice in the palace between Indiana and Detroit a few years back. True, it was bad. Yet, we don't understand that this type of thing happens nearly weekly in central and South America. It's time to wake up. Latinos here in Utah, time to clean up your sport. 17 year old murderer, time to own up to your mistake. You killed someone. 40+ years at the point of the Mtn is a start.

 

[Gameface]

Hey thriller, what's your mom doing with Al Jefferson?

 

[The Thriller]

Just a side note, a few years ago in a game between highland and cottonwood high schools, a bunch of polys and Hispanics ganged up on a poor sophomore/jv player who was taking a leak during the varsity game. They forcibly broke his leg and screwed up his knee.

There is no fear of punishment. They knew that they'd get off with a slap on the wrist. Time to step up our punishments. Better think long and hard before acting like this kid.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

So!?

Why is under population a risk?

I say the more people executed, the better!

If it causes people to think twice before they do stupid thugs, awesome! All while we use population control. And since everyone involved was Hispanic, repubs should love this too. The kid was probably an anchor baby. With this kid locked up for the next 40 years why not deport his family now?

Anyone got a gif of Ace Ventura saying "WHEW?"

 

[Nate505]

I've punched people in the head on about a dozen different occasions...as a juvenile. I've never punched another person as an adult. I disagree that it is a clear sign that this kid is a worthless human being.

People are not clockwork organisms, afterall.

You got lucky. Punching people in the head is russian roulette. Though I'm guessing at least you were in a fight where they knew a possible punch was coming. When you're unprepared to take a punch the likelyhood of injury skyrockets, especially when you punch a person in the head.

 

[Gameface]

You got lucky. Punching people in the head is russian roulette. Though I'm guessing at least you were in a fight where they knew a possible punch was coming. When you're unprepared to take a punch the likelyhood of injury skyrockets, especially when you punch a person in the head.

Well I was always short and skinny growing up (people always called me "skinny bones" as a taunt) so people often made the mistake of thinking I was an easy target. I had a three warning rule where is tell them to leave me alone then I'd punch them in the face. Can't remember one time where my plea to be left alone was respected. I also can't remember as single time when someone tried to **** with me again after I punched them in the face.

 

[Scat]

He killed a guy. That's what he did. I guess every 17 year old male who ever kills anyone should be summarily executed because they are clearly a lost cause?

Fixed.

 

[Stifle Tower]

"Portillo's oldest daughter says it wasn't the first time a soccer player assaulted her father. Johana Portillo says the referee has had ribs and legs broken by players angry with his calls."

What the hell ? Doesn't this seem very unusual?

Wow! If this happened in this particular league, then the league needs to be disbanded IMMEDIATELY. As for the father, why in the hell was he still reffing? If players had done that to me, I'd no longer be reffing. And it would be interesting to hear if any of the other boys had been punished for these previous assaults. If not, and the assaults had occurred in this league, the league is partly to blame for Portillo's death.

 

[The Thriller]

"Portillo's oldest daughter says it wasn't the first time a soccer player assaulted her father. Johana Portillo says the referee has had ribs and legs broken by players angry with his calls."

What the hell ? Doesn't this seem very unusual?

Unusual to some Americans? Yes.

Unusual for Latin America soccer leagues here in America? Nope.

One should visit these fields across the street from Provo high and the hospital on weekends. Latino leagues play there. There are always a few fights and tons of garbage left all over the place. In Latin America, this type of behavior is acceptable. No pride is taken in caring for public facilities, trashing the field is a given, and fights is almost a requirement. Anyone who has visited central or South America knows this to be true.

What we saw in Detroit a few years back is what countries down south see every single week. Here in Utah we freaked out a few years ago when a few fans threw water bottles at the refs after a bad game. In central and South America? They throw flares, torches, balloons filled with urine, and batteries.

I hope it serves as a wake up call for those in our community. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure in a week or two it will be business as usual.

 

[The Thriller]

Wow! If this happened in this particular league, then the league needs to be disbanded IMMEDIATELY. As for the father, why in the hell was he still reffing? If players had done that to me, I'd no longer be reffing. And it would be interesting to hear if any of the other boys had been punished for these previous assaults. If not, and the assaults had occurred in this league, the league is partly to blame for Portillo's death.

Football.

After all we have learned in the past few years about brain injuries, why do so many still play football? Love for the sport.

This man loved the sport. Despite his life being threatened through fights, he preferred to do something he loved.

So while I agree with you in a way I also see myself doing stupid things too.

 

[The Thriller]

Here ya go:

https://m.si.com/1832537/corinthians-says-teenage-fans-death-an-accident/

SAO PAULO (AP) — The death in the stands of a 14-year-old boy during Corinthians’ match in Bolivia was an accident and the team and its fans weren’t to blame, the president of the Brazilian club said on Thursday.
Bolivian Kevin Beltran Espada was killed after he was hit in the face by a flare apparently thrown by someone in the Corinthians fan section during a Copa Libertadores match against San Jose on Wednesday.

This happened just in feb. freaking flares to a pro soccer game. Imagine what happens in the smaller clubs, smaller arenas, and local (gang) rivalries when the security is even less?

It's this type of stupidity and poor sportsmanship which dominates Latino leagues. This incident just received publicity here because the man went into a coma and died. Had he gotten up, the player been ejected, it would have just been another day on the field.

 

[bigb]

Unusual to some Americans? Yes.

Unusual for Latin America soccer leagues here in America? Nope.

One should visit these fields across the street from Provo high and the hospital on weekends. Latino leagues play there. There are always a few fights and tons of garbage left all over the place. In Latin America, this type of behavior is acceptable. No pride is taken in caring for public facilities, trashing the field is a given, and fights is almost a requirement. Anyone who has visited central or South America knows this to be true.

What we saw in Detroit a few years back is what countries down south see every single week. Here in Utah we freaked out a few years ago when a few fans threw water bottles at the refs after a bad game. In central and South America? They throw flares, torches, balloons filled with urine, and batteries.

I hope it serves as a wake up call for those in our community. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure in a week or two it will be business as usual.

Umm, I lived in Central America and never saw or heard of any of the stuff you just mentioned. I lived down the street from the National Stadium in Honduras and can honestly say that I witnessed NONE of that stuff while I was there. But keep making stereotypical arguments.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Unusual to some Americans? Yes.

Unusual for Latin America soccer leagues here in America? Nope.

One should visit these fields across the street from Provo high and the hospital on weekends. Latino leagues play there. There are always a few fights and tons of garbage left all over the place. In Latin America, this type of behavior is acceptable. No pride is taken in caring for public facilities, trashing the field is a given, and fights is almost a requirement. Anyone who has visited central or South America knows this to be true.

What we saw in Detroit a few years back is what countries down south see every single week. Here in Utah we freaked out a few years ago when a few fans threw water bottles at the refs after a bad game. In central and South America? They throw flares, torches, balloons filled with urine, and batteries.

I hope it serves as a wake up call for those in our community. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure in a week or two it will be business as usual.

If this is the case, the leagues should be prohibited from playing on public fields. I'm actively involved in AYSO in So CA. If we leave trash on the HS, Jr. High or elementary school fields, we hear about it. In fact, at the end of each Sat., I guarantee you the division reps are walking the fields cleaning up. Players, coaches and parents are required to sign code of conduct forms. Each team provides "field monitors" for games before or after theirs. If there are problems with parents, the FM will call over the AYSO representative. Parents, players and coaches can be and have been banned for a few games or entire seasons. Sounds like this latino league needs to be have their playing permits revoked.