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Solving For Tanking, We're smart, let's figure it out

Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
The only way to fix tanking and do away with it is to do away with the need for tanking, which means you put every team in the lottery with equal odds of winning the number one pick regardless of what that team‘s record is. It’s literally the only way there are no quick fixes other than that. It doesn’t matter about fair play all that matters is the product and that star players play a full season.
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The issue with that is that it makes making the playoffs as a non-contender even more depressing.
 
Actually, sorry if I missed this, but why not take first round picks away if the nba or some outside team outside the nba decides you tried to tank. Maybe even taking multiple picks away.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Would Flagg opt out of a draft if the next draft Boozer/Peterson/Dybantsa could overtake him for that theoretical big market team? Doesnt seem likely.
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No but if boozer/peterson/dybantsa weren't in next years draft then I could see it happening. In other words, no flagg probably wouldn't but that doesn't mean no one would in the future. Especially since NIL is just getting going. We dont know what NIL deals will look like in 10 years.
 
cmrd said:
I like the wheel, but see one possible backfire in that it could lead to elite prospects strategically declaring in order to land in bigger markets, etc. For instance, if it was known that this year number one is Charlotte’s selection, while next year will be the Lakers then Miami, I could see a scenario where multiple top end prospects return to school.

One possible circumvention: do the wheel format, but structured with groups of five teams. There is an internal lottery within each group, not tied to season record. So, one year you get a lottery for 1-5, the next maybe 20-25, and so on.
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I like your circumvention idea. Complicated but it works.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Also, players can opt out of the draft after the draft lottery. The ability to not get drafted by a team who gets #1 already exist.
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Good point. Maybe that would need to be changed in tandem with the new system. You must declare pre draft lottery and if you do declare then there is no going back.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
The only way to fix tanking and do away with it is to do away with the need for tanking, which means you put every team in the lottery with equal odds of winning the number one pick regardless of what that team‘s record is. It’s literally the only way there are no quick fixes other than that. It doesn’t matter about fair play all that matters is the product and that star players play a full season.
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The wheel fixes tanking as well. Your pick is the same regardless of your record. Its predetermined.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
The only way to fix tanking and do away with it is to do away with the need for tanking, which means you put every team in the lottery with equal odds of winning the number one pick regardless of what that team‘s record is. It’s literally the only way there are no quick fixes other than that. It doesn’t matter about fair play all that matters is the product and that star players play a full season.
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Actually remove the word "lottery" and it does fix tanking. Every team has equal odds at every pick. Regardless of playoffs or no playoffs.
But there are a ton of crappy consequences to that which might be worse than tanking.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Actually, sorry if I missed this, but why not take first round picks away if the nba or some outside team outside the nba decides you tried to tank. Maybe even taking multiple picks away.
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Because then you are letting a human decide who is tanking and who legitimately sucks or has legit injuries. No bueno.
 
fishonjazz said:
No but if boozer/peterson/dybantsa weren't in next years draft then I could see it happening. In other words, no flagg probably wouldn't but that doesn't mean no one would in the future. Especially since NIL is just getting going. We dont know what NIL deals will look like in 10 years.
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NBA contracts will also increase in 10 years. NIL will never be enough to be a logical decision to not get picked #1.
 
fishonjazz said:
Because then you are letting a human decide who is tanking and who legitimately sucks or has legit injuries. No bueno.
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It's probably a bad idea, but maybe it could help. The type of tanking I'm concerned about is pretty obvious, like sitting a healthy Walker Kessler. What the Jazz have done this year is being obvious. There should at least be some deterrent to what we are doing this year.

You could have a league doctor for each team that reviews medical information to make sure injury reports are legit. You could have a panel of people that help make the decision on violations, maybe each team gets a representative to make sure it's fair. The consequences could start with a fine, then move to losing draft positioning, then to forfeiting picks.

It's not my favorite option, to be clear, but it feels like there is a way to do it that would help.
 
I like the idea of the lottery for every team every year
If best team wins it so be it
But no team can win it back to back or whatever rule is decided
That may eliminate tanking
 
SoberasHotRod said:
It's probably a bad idea, but maybe it could help. The type of tanking I'm concerned about is pretty obvious, like sitting a healthy Walker Kessler. What the Jazz have done this year is being obvious. There should at least be some deterrent to what we are doing this year.

You could have a league doctor for each team that reviews medical information to make sure injury reports are legit. You could have a panel of people that help make the decision on violations, maybe each team gets a representative to make sure it's fair. The consequences could start with a fine, then move to losing draft positioning, then to forfeiting picks.

It's not my favorite option, to be clear, but it feels like there is a way to do it that would help.
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Im nodding my head as I read this.
 
slc said:
I like the idea of the lottery for every team every year
If best team wins it so be it
But no team can win it back to back or whatever rule is decided
That may eliminate tanking
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It definitely eliminates tanking to do it that way. Also eliminates the best way for a team that sucks to improve though.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Also, players can opt out of the draft after the draft lottery. The ability to not get drafted by a team who gets #1 already exist.
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The wheel uniquely allows prospects to know what the draft landscape looks like the following year, and thereby make a better informed decision about the pros/cons of staying another year. As it is now, the top picks can basically only count on the prospect that if they don't come out one year, a new set of crap teams will be in position to draft them the following year. There's less motivation to return to college now than there could be with certain wheel scenarios.

(That said, I think the wheel is still one of the better options I've heard).
 
fishonjazz said:
It definitely eliminates tanking to do it that way. Also eliminates the best way for a team that sucks to improve though.
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Maybe the lottery is only for the #1 pick
After that team with worst record gets the #2 and rest of draft is team record
 
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