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Somewhere Harpring is Sad

It's just odd that with all the favoritism the Jazz got from the refs, and all the support that Stockton and Malone got from great role players like Harpring, they couldn't win one championship during their entire careers. Something doesn't add up.
 
northeast said:
I don't know what is so difficult about this.
You guys keep wanting to talk about what Harpring did in his best year, and act like he did that every year in his career.
Are you seriously suggesting that Harping could rebound and defend the paint as rookie as well as Favors or Kanter, or pass and handle the ball as well as a rookie as Burks and Hayward?
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I made it to post 11 and I can't take the idiocy. One day you're going to think back on this thread and realize you are being a serious twit. Let's assume that every one of these guys has a career better than Harpring. Does that make Matt a bad guy for giving it everything he possibly could during his career? If you don't think he deserved to be on the team that's your prerogative, but if you were in his shoes and someone had been willing to pay you to play basketball I highly doubt you would have said, "No thanks, I'm not worthy," which is what you seem to be suggesting Harpring should have done. From my perspective he looked to be a guy who put it all out there, even to the extent of sacrificing his body and his future health for the good of his team. He believed that laying a hard foul on the opposition was the right way to play. Lots of people, including me, agree with his mantra of toughness. Maybe you should switch to watching Bonnet Ball.
 
I never said Matt was a bad guy. I think the team should take this opportunity of a changeover in personnel to radically to change their image, and never again have a reputation as a team that fouls a lot OR plays dirty.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Refs don't listen to broadcasters ether.
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You don't know that. Stop making stuff up. Besides, refs have families and friends, and they listen to broadcasts, and they talk to the refs. Same goes for coaches, writers, other broadcasters, message board people, players, and everybody else who lives on planet earth.

You guys just keep saying things that don't make any sense.

PS: Players do listen to broadcasts.
 
I am done with this discussion. My lack of any further posting on this thread does not preclude the likelihood that any contrary opinions expressed here are as nonsensical as all the preceding ones.
 
northeast said:
It's just odd that with all the favoritism the Jazz got from the refs, and all the support that Stockton and Malone got from great role players like Harpring, they couldn't win one championship during their entire careers. Something doesn't add up.
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Jordan and Olajuwon were better.

Not that hard to add THAT up.
 
What a ridiculous thread. Harpring was playing at an All-Star level the year after Stock and Malone left, but went down with a serious injury. After that he was never quite the same as he continued getting injured and the problem with his knees worsened. Before he came to the Jazz, he had always been a solid and much better than average player. Neither Burks or Hayward are yet as good as Matt was in his prime, not even close.
 
I just realised that why would Harpring care if these guys are better or worse than him? He is retired and from what I can see loyal to the Jazz franchise. That might be only because of his job but still. If anything he would be happy the Jazz have some good - great players.
 
gads, you people are so dense.
The point of the thread is not that you guys are overrating Harpings career, even though you are, and everything I said is true.
The point is that having a reputation and philosophy of being a team that likes to foul a lot and play nasty and dirty is detrimental to the long term success of the team.
The point is that they have a skilled group of young players that could be the core of a very good team , IF they learn how to play defense without fouling or playing dirty, and IF they get a reputation of being a team that shouldn't get called for more fouls than the other teams.
If they do not do this, they have zero chance of winning a title in Utah.
 
northeast said:
gads, you people are so dense.
The point of the thread is not that you guys are overrating Harpings career, even though you are, and everything I said is true.
The point is that having a reputation and philosophy of being a team that likes to foul a lot and play nasty and dirty is detrimental to the long term success of the team.
The point is that they have a skilled group of young players that could be the core of a very good team , IF they learn how to play defense without fouling or playing dirty, and IF they get a reputation of being a team that shouldn't get called for more fouls than the other teams.
If they do not do this, they have zero chance of winning a title in Utah.
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Yes you are right we should've stayed with Booz Memo and Williams. (sarcasm) no one was afraid of taking it to the rim on any of these guys. Where did that core get us. How many calls did they get, and don't tell me they had a reputation for dirty play because I will laugh you right off Jazzfanz!

It's easy fun work making you look like a fool, and we all do it!
 
write4u said:
What a ridiculous thread. Harpring was playing at an All-Star level the year after Stock and Malone left, but went down with a serious injury. After that he was never quite the same as he continued getting injured and the problem with his knees worsened. Before he came to the Jazz, he had always been a solid and much better than average player. Neither Burks or Hayward are yet as good as Matt was in his prime, not even close.
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Burks, Hayward, Kanter, and Favors have more skills than Harping did. Harping was a two trick pony. He had a good midrange jump shot, and he was an aggressive bull of a small forward that pushed people around ,fouled hard and would intimidate people, aka play a little bit dirty. That's it. He did not create his own shot, he did not have outstanding leaping ability, he was not a shot blocker, he didn't have the offense run through him, he wasn't fast, he couldn't guard a ball handler, he couldn't guard the rim, he couldn't fake people or create space on his drives, he was not an outstanding rebounder, he wasn't great in transition, he did not fill passing lanes, etc.

That is not the point of this thread. Harp had a solid career, being a starter on some playoff teams, which is more than respectable. He was never a star. That's fine, the jazz are all about hardworking team players that give effort , which many of us identify with and appreciate, and he was all that. I am just saying that all four of the Jazz young players bring skills to the table that give them the potential to be stars, and this should not be jeopardized by having a team that thinks that playing defense means fouling a lot or playing dirty. I don't think that this philosophy is conducive to the players improving their game or getting respect in the league.
 
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Thee jazz fan said:
Yes you are right we should've stayed with Booz Memo and Williams. (sarcasm) no one was afraid of taking it to the rim on any of these guys. Where did that core get us. How many calls did they get, and don't tell me they had a reputation for dirty play because I will laugh you right off Jazzfanz!

It's easy fun work making you look like a fool, and we all do it!
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you are the dumbest of the dense. Booz has nothing to do with this conversation. try to focus.
 
northeast said:
you are the dumbest of the dense. Booz has nothing to do with this conversation. try to focus.
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Good god!!!

Your whole premise is that teams with dirty reps have no shot at winning a championship, and don't get calls. My response to that was the above, that D-Will Booz and Memo won no championships and always got screwed by the refs.

Unbelievable!!!
 
Yes, that is my point.

I can not verify your claim about D and B and M getting screwed by the refs, but if true, is it not possible that it was because the Jazz always had a reputation of being a dirty team that liked to foul a lot, and they had done nothing to change that?
 
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Now, name the team that had a reputation as a dirtier team than the Jazz in the last 20 years that won a championship.
 
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