Can't argue with Collins comparison. With that said, I posted you Brewer's numbers, and they are not bad. Definitely good numbers for a bench player. He is also not a bad defender, and is very athletic. All we need now is a bench wing. We already have our starters for next 3 years. I am not suggesting to pay him starter's money or start him (unless coach thinks he is better than alternatives), but be a bench player. I think it is really hard to argue with the numbers I provided - for bench player role.
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Can't argue with Collins comparison. With that said, I posted you Brewer's numbers, and they are not bad. Definitely good numbers for a bench player. He is also not a bad defender, and is very athletic. All we need now is a bench wing. We already have our starters for next 3 years. I am not suggesting to pay him starter's money or start him (unless coach thinks he is better than alternatives), but be a bench player. I think it is really hard to argue with the numbers I provided - for bench player role.
He is comparable to CJ in talent and is the same age. He is not worth nearly double CJ's salary. CJ and Hayward are our starters for next 3 years, and CJ and AK for this year. I don't think it is wise to give him starter's money when we already have starters for years to come. Besides, he may still turn out to be a 1 year wonder. There is just too much risk, and given the situation, I just don't think it is wise to keep the role player for starter's money, when we already have starters.
Yes, but here is the thing. It's the last semester or your senior year. There is nobody else in school that you really feel like going for. So you decide to date this OK girl for the rest of the year and then dump her when you go off to college next year.
And it's not so bad because she gives great helmet
The Ghost of Blue Edwards
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I don't want Brewer back. Especially with mulit-year contract attached.
Plus a few chicks you liked already went with someone else and some demand a dinner every time they put out.
Options are limited at this point, and Brewer isn't definitely not a player I would want back. But, it's not always about getting the best player. That's simply not going to happen. The question is whether we can get productive minutes from him and if his salary corresponds with the level of productivity we would expect.
No doubt I'll be cringing having to watch that jumpshot again. But like him or not, he was a starter on this team ... a starter on this team when we went to the WCF. He knows our system and plays pretty well despite his inherent weaknesses. Might be a good play if there aren't better options left on the table.
No doubt I'll be cringing having to watch that jumpshot again. But like him or not, he was a starter on this team ... a starter on this team when we went to the WCF. He knows our system and plays pretty well despite his inherent weaknesses. Might be a good play if there aren't better options left on the table.
Twin Towers
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CJ cannot guard the SG's in this league. He does not have the lateral quickness to guard them. This is proven. And Miles shot isn't as consistent as Matthews. There is no reason to believe its a one hit wonder. This isn't the NFL. The NBA rarley has that happen. Its only when they are playing for contract years. And Matthews is not that type of guy in my opinion.
And its only a 1 year deal that will cost a lot. After the first year he will be making close to the mid level exception. He is well worth that.
Miles is getting better but I think Miles is more suited for the 3 position on defense. Hayward can't guard anyone that we know of. So that shouldn't even be apart of the question.
We should sign Brewer and then trade him to Memphis in exchange for lifting the protections on our draft pick.
Wes is a hard nosed defender, a good defender, but I wouldn't say his lateral quickness is great either. I also wouldn't say CJ's quickness is poor. Do we lose some on defense if we let Wes go? Sure, we will a little. But I don't think slight defensive upgrade over CJ is worth adding a guy for 7 mil a year. And CJ can knock down some shots too. In fact, against tough competition in play-offs he did it better than Wes. Hayward hopefully will also be able to knock down shots and play D in time.
As far as 1 hit wonder, there are plenty of guy in NBA also that had 1-2 good years, and then were nobodies. We had them on the Jazz too. Remember Stevenson, Anderson?
Twin Towers
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Stevenson and Anderson were not one hit wonders. Both of them had a few good years here. Not just one. Those are just examples of the Jazz system making players better. Matthews won't be nearly as good somewhere else unless it was someone like the Spurs.
Matthews better defense and better outside shot is worth the money. Miles is way too inconsistent on defense and offense. He has mental lapses and coasts. Matthews is also a better passer and slasher. He runs hard even in a half court set. Miles does not.
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Only Rommel could pull that off.
Twin Towers
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That is a big if on defense. Hoping Miles and Hayward can play. We will get torched next year without Matthews. He is a pesky defender and he irritates his opponents but also plays defense with his feet. We need someone we can count on and Miles and Hayward are not those guys.
I do get scared after signing Matthews though. Because we won't have much money after that. We would need to trade AK for 2-3 players that fit our needs.
The thing that sucks is as much as I want Matthews back I don't think he will be back. I don't think the Jazz would be looking at Brewer if they were going to match the offer. I think he is gone to be honest.
I do get scared after signing Matthews though. Because we won't have much money after that. We would need to trade AK for 2-3 players that fit our needs.
The thing that sucks is as much as I want Matthews back I don't think he will be back. I don't think the Jazz would be looking at Brewer if they were going to match the offer. I think he is gone to be honest.
Stevenson had 1, Anderson had several, but bottom line is they overall had average or below careers. That may happen to Wes too, and it is a risk when considering 7 mil a year offer for 5 years, when we already have starters in place.
Twin Towers
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Again your comparisons are about after guys left the team. Not when they stayed. Everyone on this board whether they like Sloan or not knows that this system can make certain players better than they are. Key word is CERTAIN players. Matthews is a guy who fits our system. That is why he is worth that amount. Because he fits our system.
If you show me a guy who played for the Jazz had a really good year than the next year ON THE JAZZ he was horrible please do (injuries of course determine that). That is the only fair comparison.
Brewer is a better finisher, passer, dunker, rebounder, and defender (Matthews D was overrated, Brewer did a much better job on Kobe last year).
Matthews is the worst passing wing we have (besides Jeffers)
Matthews = most overrated defender in Jazz history.
Twin Towers
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Your wrong on that one. Brewer isn't a better defender. He got burnt more often. He was always looking to steal the ball. And Matthews was a rookie defender meaning he will get away with more next year. Matthews played with his feet. Not his hands like Brewer.
Brewer hesitated too much and wasn't as effective passing the ball. Who cares about dunks. And Rebounder? Can't even argue one is better than the other.
D Will> CP3
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Give 1 reason why? Did you notice whenever he guarded melo, Melo couldnt score or had to work extremely hard for it. when CJ was on him is when Melo got his points. Give 1 solid reason that Matthews is an over rated defender. Oh and in the Lakers series he blocked Kobe twice.