That you are copy/pasting other people's work without putting it in quotations, or a quote box or indicating in any way who wrote it, thus making it seem as though it is your work when it is not.
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That you are copy/pasting other people's work without putting it in quotations, or a quote box or indicating in any way who wrote it, thus making it seem as though it is your work when it is not.
If I could straight-faced write sheer biblical apologetics as if God depended on my efforts to justify His word, I'd make a good liar.
The truth is, it is amazing that, following from Moses' legendary saga and the Israelite tribes support for the levitical priests, the Bible is still the most authentic and faithfully kept religious tradition in human history.
Our notions of human rights, justice, and rule of law come from the Biblical tradition.
So, whatever the failings of the text, as I see them in my own personal pride, I nevertheless realize that secular humanism or any other trendy philosophy is pretty much up for grabs, and will be exploited just as shamelessly as politically-motivated players on the world stage have ever misused the Judeo-Christian traditions.. . . . and that the more shamelessly the Bible is dissed, the more you should feel for your conscience to make sure it hasn't been stolen yet by those intellectual hussies.
see, no need for "defenders of the faith" to just cut and paste in here. If the unbelievers do stuff like that, what could you expect to prove. . . . just let them. Their intellectual tradition has shucked the notions of truth, integrity, law, right and wrong. Secular Humanism is a free-for-all, where you can call your own tune and dance to it, and change it without a second thought. It is what you want it to be. Nothing more, nothing less. It is exactly everything that Moses didn't want to bring away from Egypt.
Pharoahs with unquestionable power, whipping the slaves.
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♪alt13
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What a bunch of revisionist garbage. For every book in the Bible, conservatively, 100 were destroyed and lost to history in its name. Probably many more than that just during the christian destruction of the library of Alexandria.
Our notions of human rights were hampered by biblical acceptance for the institution of slavery. Religious tolerance certainly isn't born of the bible and it is horrible with regards to the treatment of women. The Bible had authority for more than a millennium. We generally refer to this period as the Dark Ages. It wasn't until we had shed ourselves of Biblical authority that we began to adopt modern definitions of justice, human rights, and the rule of law.
I'm glad you mentioned the free for all that is secularism.
One of the most persuasive arguments I've heard for a human "need" for a higher power and authority is that without one morality is subjective. But I've looked around a bit. I've noticed the "evolution" in Christian morality, not just over the past 1000 years but in the last 30 as well. Please prove to me that Christian morality, God's morality is in fact absolute and not dictated by the whims of man.
The fact is, God is a creation of man. God's morality is a creation of man. God is the voiceless servant of your overlords. They decide who God is, what he wants and how you need to behave as a result. You can select to ignore the most recent revelations and interpretations and live you life according to the desires of the men who ruled a few hundred years ago or a 1000 years ago and yet you are still living according to the rules and morality of men.
The reason we have public schools is because the private model failed so miserably in the past.
When you actually dig into the common core and the reasoning behind it, a lot of it makes sense.
Actually, that's philosophy, and percentage of philosophers that are atheists is much higher than the general population.
In science, if any notion has so much support that it rises to the level of theory, then there is no opposing theory.
Intelligent design is not a scientific theory, it is anti-scientific.
If he is a JW, then he is probably considered a publisher, so though he did not author it and should credit the author, it's not technically plagiarism.
♪alt13
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When you delete the rest of my post(as oppossed to just bolding what you wish to address) it seems like I think ID is a scientific theory. When that line is put in context of the entire post it's a different story.
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There are too many good private schools out there and too many poor public ones to say that the private model failed. More precisely the parent paid tuition model failed. It wasn't that children that attended private schools were getting a bad education it was that too many children could not afford to attend.
carolinajazz
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....it wasn't "Biblical" authority, but CHURCH authority that was the problem and culprit! By the end of the first century, the writing of all the books of the Bible was completed. From then on, Christians were in the forefront of copying and distributing the complete Bible. At the same time, they were busy translating it into the most common languages of the day. While the Christian congregation was busy with this admirable work, something was beginning to take shape that would prove very dangerous to the survival of the Bible.
In the fourth century, the Roman emperor Constantine adopted “Christianity” as the official religion of the Roman Empire. But the “Christianity” he knew was very different from the religion preached by Jesus. From then on, the degenerate form of Christianity that had taken root was no longer just a religious organization. It was a part of the state, and its leaders played an important role in politics.
The pope wanted the Bible to be kept in the now-dead tongue of Latin. Its contents were to be kept “secret,” not translated into the languages of the common people. These religious authorities were not trying to destroy the Bible. They were trying to fossilize it, keep it in a language that only a few could read. In this way, they hoped to prevent what they called heresy but what really amounted to challenges to their authority.
A horrible abuse of power for sure but clearly these religious authorities were by no means representative of Bible Christianity! During the 18th and 19th centuries, they developed a method of studying the Bible known as higher criticism. Higher critics taught that much of the Bible was composed of legend and myth. Some even said that Jesus never existed. Instead of being designated the Word of God, the Bible was said by these Protestant scholars to be the word of man, and a very jumbled word at that.
While the church was banning Bible translation, the pope was sponsoring massive military efforts against the Muslims in the Middle East. These came to be called “holy” Crusades, but there was nothing holy about them!
The close association between Christendom’s religions and the state has continued down to our day. The last two world wars were fought primarily between “Christian” nations. Clergymen on both sides encouraged their young men to fight and try to kill the enemy—who often belonged to the same religion!
As far as the Bible and the treatment of women according to God's laws given through Moses, wives were to be “cherished.” (Deuteronomy 13:6) The dignity of wives was to be respected in sexual matters, and no woman was to be sexually abused. (Leviticus 18:8-19) The fifth commandment required that equal honor be given to the father and the mother.—Exodus 20:12.
It is noteworthy the way Jesus dealt with women. Ever compassionate and completely balanced in dealing with women, he neither exalted nor belittled them. (John 2:3-5) He repudiated the rabbinic traditions that stripped them of their dignity and that invalidated the Word of God. Jesus refuted rabbinic traditions and dignified women not only by his actions but by his teachings as well. No matter what cultural views toward women may prevail, the record of both the Hebrew and the Christian Greek Scriptures clearly shows that godly women should be treated with honor and respect.
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How long in the past? I cannot recall a serious attempt at it in my lifetime, and a cursory google search does not reveal a real attempt in the last 50 years. I think privatization of education would mean something different than "private schools" which have existed in some form for centuries. And what I can get from google shows that private schools did not necessarily fail, rather they were pushed out since most of them had some form of religious connection. It could be argued that private schools were more successful than public schools, but since they were religious in nature largely, they wouldn't be accepted as the de facto "public" school. From my obviously completely all-inclusive 5 minute google search (/sarcasm) there has been no serious attempt to privatize education in a secular format. Maybe it's worth a try.
The privatization of education using public funds is often referred to as charter schools. So far, their results have been mixed, and overall about the same as public schools.
QuinSnydersHair
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And that's putting it nicely.
♪alt13
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What version of the bible are you referring to? In every version of the Bible that I can find Deuteronomy 13:6-10 is always about puting to death someone that tries to get you to serve other gods.
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6If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+13:6-10
https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/13-6.htm
♪alt13
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Another gem of biblical feminism
Deuteronomy 21:10-13
10 When you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, 11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. 12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails 13 and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife.
Deuteronomy 21:10-13
10 When you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, 11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. 12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails 13 and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife.
Or Boko Haram.