Still don't believe in evolution? Try this!

[carolinajazz]

I don't mind teaching, but if you want to be my student you have to spend a little effort trying to learn and reading a bit of the material I have pointed you towards.

Many species in the modern era are caused directly or indirectly by humans (e.g., giant sloth and mammoths in Americas)

Were these guys killed by humans, 2 million years ago?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phorusrhacids

.....I'm trying to follow you here, I really am! SO your saying that giant Sloths and Mammoths became extinct some 2 million years ago (dating method on this is so pathetically flawed as to be ludicrous!) and disappeared either "directly or indirectly" by man? How is that possible.....when it can only be certain or proven that man has been functioning on this earth for about 6,000 years? Keep in mind that truly reliable evidence of man’s activity on earth is given, not in millions of years, but in thousands. For example, in The Fate of the Earth we read: “Only six or seven thousand years ago .*.*. civilization emerged, enabling us to build up a human world.” The Last Two Million Years states: “In the Old World, most of the critical steps in the farming revolution were taken between 10,000 and 5000 BC.” It also says: “Only for the last 5000 years has man left written records.” The fact that the fossil record shows modern man suddenly appearing on earth, and that reliable historical records are admittedly recent, harmonizes with the Bible’s chronology for human life on earth....by the way!

Be that as it may, what are we arguing about here? Mass extinction last occurred with Dinosaurs....or humans have been the cause of the recent extinction of animals (past 100 years give or take a few) due to greed and selfishness?

 

[Yell42]

....exactly! What I have posted is in direct rebuttal to the various bogus theories perpetuated by Darwin and other authors of evolution, of which many posters here parrot those same ideas almost verbatim so what's the big deal!

Quick everyone

Throw your Darwin books in the trash can and instead listen to the insane ramblings of a religious lunatic on an internet basketball forum

 

[The Midnight]

For those that believe in evolution and nothing spiritual since it cannot be "proven" read this and give me an answer please:

What happened in your house before you moved in?

(KUTV) The family who is currently renting the home formerly owned by Josh and Susan Powell says they have moved out.

Joanna Aeosana says since she and her family moved in two months ago numerous mysterious events have occurred inside the house. She says the company who leased the house to her never told her about the history of the home.

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Aeosana says she was unaware of the story of the Powell's and says almost from the moment her family moved in, strange stings have been happening.

"I hear people crying when I'm showering," she told 2News.

Aeosana also says the garage door opens and closes on its own. Most recently, she said her 1-year-old son was taking to an empty swing in the front yard of the home saying, "Go away, leave me alone."

https://www.kutv.com/news/top-stories...id_13562.shtml

Just because we cannot 'prove' that something isn't there, does not mean that it does not exist.

 

[Yell42]

Just because we cannot 'prove' that something isn't there, does not mean that it does not exist.

Just because something cant be disproven doesn't mean theres any sane reason to believe in it

 

[The Midnight]

Just because something cant be disproven doesn't mean theres any sane reason to believe in it

But you can't rule out the possibility that it exists.


I really want one of you guys to come face to face with one of these strange/unexplainable experiences and see what you have to say after that.

 

[gandalfe]

I really want one of you guys to come face to face with one of these strange/unexplainable experiences and see what you have to say after that.

Just because YOU can't explain it doesn't mean that it can't be explained.

 

[The Midnight]

Just because YOU can't explain it doesn't mean that it can't be explained.

How would you explain it?

 

[Yell42]

How would you explain it?

the fact you believe a word of that article shows how gullible you are

I suppose you think Ghost Adventures is real too?

 

[The Midnight]

the fact you believe a word of that article shows how gullible you are

You're avoiding the point, and you know it.


You can't rule out the possibility.

 

[Yell42]

You're avoiding the point, and you know it.


You can't rule out the possibility.

I also cant rule out the possibility that the flying spaghetti monster exists

 

[gandalfe]

You can't rule out the possibility.

You can't rule out the possibility that there's an invisible, intangible, inaudible, odorless gremlin floating just above your left shoulder at all times. But that ain't no reason to believe it's true.

 

[The Midnight]

I also cant rule out the possibility that the flying spaghetti monster exists

You can't rule out the possibility that there's an invisible, intangible, inaudible, odorless gremlin floating just above your left shoulder at all times. But that ain't no reason to believe it's true.

What I meant was you can't rule out the possibility that the family in the story actually experienced 'spirits' in that house.



Would love for your guys to be in their shoes one day.

 

[The Midnight]

What r u guys doing up so late anyway? Ghost hunting? LOL..

 

[gandalfe]

What I meant was you can't rule out the possibility that the family in the story actually experienced 'spirits' in that house.



Would love for your guys to be in their shoes one day.

Sure, even tho there's no evidence, and eyewitnesses are absolutely unreliable. Also, there has NEVER been verifiable evidence of similar events occurring. But, sure, like you say, we can't rule it out, just like you can't rule out our hypothesis.

But this is exactly the situation for which Russell's Teapot was designed.

 

[silesian]

.....I'm trying to follow you here, I really am! SO your saying that giant Sloths and Mammoths became extinct some 2 million years ago (dating method on this is so pathetically flawed as to be ludicrous!) and disappeared either "directly or indirectly" by man?

No, sorry I wasn't clear. There are two separate ideas.

There have been extinctions caused by man, such as Sloths and Mammoths, roughly 4-5 thousand years ago.

There have been many extinctions not caused by man since the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event (killed the dinos) as well. The example on in the link I provided you was the terror birds who died off ~2 million years ago.

Both of these are detailed in the link I provided and in many other scientifically reputable reports.

You may be confused in that many species go extinct every year. The differentiator for an "extinction event" is the rate of extinctions is much higher.

Now get out there and read on your own, I am done spoon feeding.

 

[Gameface]

But you can't rule out the possibility that it exists.


I really want one of you guys to come face to face with one of these strange/unexplainable experiences and see what you have to say after that.

By definition, an unexplainable experience has no possible explanation.

I've had some. In the end, I wasn't able to explain them.

 

[silesian]

The Fate of the Earth we read: “Only six or seven thousand years ago .*.*. civilization emerged, enabling us to build up a human world.” The Last Two Million Years states: “In the Old World, most of the critical steps in the farming revolution were taken between 10,000 and 5000 BC.” It also says: “Only for the last 5000 years has man left written records.” The fact that the fossil record shows modern man suddenly appearing on earth, and that reliable historical records are admittedly recent, harmonizes with the Bible’s chronology for human life on earth....by the way!

This is moot. The fact that the Bible's written history of mankind aligns chronologically with the real written history of mankind is pretty obvious. There is no substantive debate about the dates Christ was on earth, the time civilization arose, etc. So why are you using this to support your thesis about the real debate about pre-historic times?

Prehistoric times were before there were written records and this is where the creationist and scientific views about the ascent of man significantly diverge.

 

[silesian]

By definition, and unexplainable experience has no possible explanation.

May be a small point, but I'll point out that unexplainable is context dependent.

Someone in an aboriginal society could validly state "a rainbow is unexplainable" meaning they cannot explain it, even though others can.

Someone looks out the airplane window and says "there is a UFO above the clouds" and it is unexplainable to them, when someone else might know it to be the reflection of the moon

Other things might be unexplainable to everyone and anyone in the world


Sum up: it could be "something i can' explain" something "we (in a limited group) can't explain," or something "no human can explain."

 

[Gameface]

May be a small point, but I'll point out that unexplainable is context dependent.

Someone in an aboriginal society could validly state "a rainbow is unexplainable" meaning they cannot explain it, even though others can.

Someone looks out the airplane window and says "there is a UFO above the clouds" and it is unexplainable to them, when someone else might know it to be the reflection of the moon

Other things might be unexplainable to everyone and anyone in the world


Sum up: it could be "something i can' explain" something "we (in a limited group) can't explain," or something "no human can explain."

Fair point.

What I was getting at is that I frequently find believers in mystical forces essentially saying that "because this cannot be explained I can explain exactly what it is" which turns out to be unproven mystical forces.

 

[One Brow]

His name is Kenneth Miller and he just wanted a monopoly for his biology textbook.

Thank yo for the name corrrection, and since there are several biology textbooks, there was never a chance for a monopoly. Miller has only opposed those books that mislead on evolution.