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SUCCES! the left winning at banning guns!!!!!!!!!

MVP said:
If average Tom does not have gun to attack average Joe, why average Joe needs to defend himself with a gun?
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Is there we can use some random story about someone being attacked to prove how a gun would have saved them?
 
mellow said:
On any given day I have 5 or 6 people who look to me as their defender. Cops don't defend, they investigate, and take statements from victims. So if you are asking me to leave those people undefended, are you willing to follow me and them for the rest of my life, protecting them, giving me peace of mind, all while staying discretely hidden away? Can I show my kids how you work, and have them practice having you defend them? And when I get old can I gift your protection to one of my grandsons so that he too can defend the people he loves?
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Good post except statistically your kids are in more danger with you having a gun in your home than not having a gun in your home. So if you really care about your kids then maybe you should not have any guns
 
fishonjazz said:
Good post except statistically your kids are in more danger with you having a gun in your home than not having a gun in your home. So if you really care about your kids then maybe you should not have any guns
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Or just be responsible and teach your kids about guns and have them secured in your home. These stats are skewed by idiots that leave them lying around and haven't taught there kids about them.

My kids have gone shooting with me and other family members multiple times. They know what guns are and what they can do. That they are NOT toys. Then my guns are secured in a safe that only my wife and I know the code to. They back up keys are on my key chain that is on my person or by my side 24/7.
 
DutchJazzer said:
you just lack common sense.


a criminal ignores the law.
so why make a law that guns are illegal, does that law have magical properties. is that law unbreakable.

NOOO! that is not common sense.
tresspassing is illegal, murder is illegal
so someone who wants to shoot up something.
is tresspassing(1 law he broke)
is commiting murder another law he broke.
so you want to add a 3rd law he could/would break.
please man go get common sense
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In my 44 years of life I have never been in situation where I needed a gun. And I lived in much worse country when it comes to crime then USA. Go get your paranoia treated.
 
Stoked said:
Or just be responsible and teach your kids about guns and have them secured in your home. These stats are skewed by idiots that leave them lying around and haven't taught there kids about them.

My kids have gone shooting with me and other family members multiple times. They know what guns are and what they can do. That they are NOT toys. Then my guns are secured in a safe that only my wife and I know the code to. They back up keys are on my key chain that is on my person or by my side 24/7.
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Sometimes you can teach your kids about guns and still have accidents happen. Kids sometimes make mistakes even when they have been taught about something right?

I mean hell, I know how to chew food and have been doing it all my life yet sometimes I still bite my tongue.
I am very good at walking up and down stairs and have all kinds of know how, training, and knowledge on the subject yet still occasionally stumble.

Also, even if your child never has an accident with your gun and has perfect knowledge and training with guns, that only aids them in using them for suicide if they (God forbid) ever get to that emotional/depressed point.


It's not only kids with irresponsible gun owners for parents that die from guns. I guarantee you that
 
Stoked said:
Or just be responsible and teach your kids about guns and have them secured in your home. These stats are skewed by idiots that leave them lying around and haven't taught there kids about them.
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About 15X more gun related children death and accidents in USA then in rest of the world. Are you telling it is only idiots to blame? Don't you think that if instead of 88% of household in USA having guns it would come down to 3-5% - that number would be much much lower despite the many idiots who live in USA? Come man, it is simple math. No guns - no gun related accidental deaths or injuries.
 
DutchJazzer said:
. so wait i have no safe haven? someone can come into my house and i cant kick his ***?
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There can always be a situation where even with multiple guns you will get killed if somebody stronger, bigger, with bigger gun or better shooting skills will come into your house - because of the stupid laws you have who allow anybody to have guns.
Chances of that happening in Japan is 0.01%. I would take that number anyday over right of having gun.
 
MVP said:
About 15X more gun related children death and accidents in USA then in rest of the world. Are you telling it is only idiots to blame? Don't you think that if instead of 88% of household in USA having guns it would come down to 3-5% - that number would be much much lower despite the many idiots who live in USA? Come man, it is simple math. No guns - no gun related accidental deaths or injuries.
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Stop reading what you want me to say and read what I did say.

I never used words such as "only" or "always". But yes children's deaths from guns are usually the result of someone being irresponsible, criminal, negligent or simply making a dumb mistake with guns.

No cars, no car related deaths.

Preach all you want. But my right to own a gun is not determined by someone else's actions. You disagree, obviously, and that is fine. But that doesn't really matter either.

That doesn't mean that changes are not needed. But that has been gone over in depth on here.
 
Stoked said:
My kids have gone shooting with me and other family members multiple times. They know what guns are and what they can do. That they are NOT toys. Then my guns are secured in a safe that only my wife and I know the code to. They back up keys are on my key chain that is on my person or by my side 24/7.
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Also, this is all fantastic stuff and im very happy that you are practicing these safe habits..... But im going to assume you are a human. I have yet to meet a perfect human that does things correctly 100% of the time. Even you could make a mistake one day and leave a gun out or not locked up properly. I know you are thinking you would never do that and that it won't happen to you.
I guarantee others have felt the same way and yet a mistake or accident still has happened.

Also, I have hunted grouse, chuckers, pheasant, rabbit, doves, ducks and geese, and deer to name a few. Grew up hunting with my dad and two older brothers (and sometimes cousins). All of us are well trained, very responsible firearm owners and hunters. I have nearly been shot before. More than once in fact.
**** happens, even to the best of us
 
fishonjazz said:
Also, this is all fantastic stuff and im very happy that you are practicing these safe habits..... But im going to assume you are a human. I have yet to meet a perfect human that does things correctly 100% of the time. Even you could make a mistake one day and leave a gun out or not locked up properly. I know you are thinking you would never do that and that it won't happen to you.
I guarantee others have felt the same way and yet a mistake or accident still has happened.

Also, I have hunted grouse, chuckers, peasant, rabbit, doves, ducks and geese, and deer to name a few. Grew up hunting with my dad and two older brothers (and sometimes cousins). All of us are well trained, very responsible firearm owners and hunters. I have nearly been shot before. More than once in fact.
**** happens, even to the best of us
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Could I make a stupid mistake? Of course I could. I am, like you said, human. But let's not pretend that the way I do things is how it is done across the country by everyone.

We all know plenty of people that are much freer and less responsible with their firearms.

Which is why I said "skewed" instead of all.
 
MVP said:
There can always be a situation where even with multiple guns you will get killed if somebody stronger, bigger, with bigger gun or better shooting skills will come into your house - because of the stupid laws you have who allow anybody to have guns.
Chances of that happening in Japan is 0.01%. I would take that number anyday over right of having gun.
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you sir lack common sense
 
Btw stoked, I have multiple guns in my own house and when I have my first child in 6-7 months I aint gonna get rid of em.

I consider myself to be a responsible, well trained, gun owner. Yet I still know that risk of my guns hurting myself or my loved ones still exists
 
MVP said:
In my 44 years of life I have never been in situation where I needed a gun. And I lived in much worse country when it comes to crime then USA. Go get your paranoia treated.
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In my 38 years I have never needed a gun either and grew up in and still live kearns. (Thought of as one of the more dangerous areas in utah)
 
fishonjazz said:
Btw stoked, I have multiple guns in my own house and when I have my first child in 6-7 months I aint gonna get rid of em.

I consider myself to be a responsible, well trained, gun owner. Yet I still know that risk of my guns hurting myself or my loved ones still exists
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Are you considering getting into archery?
 
fishonjazz said:
Sometimes you can teach your kids about guns and still have accidents happen. Kids sometimes make mistakes even when they have been taught about something right?

I mean hell, I know how to chew food and have been doing it all my life yet sometimes I still bite my tongue.
I am very good at walking up and down stairs and have all kinds of know how, training, and knowledge on the subject yet still occasionally stumble.

Also, even if your child never has an accident with your gun and has perfect knowledge and training with guns, that only aids them in using them for suicide if they (God forbid) ever get to that emotional/depressed point.


It's not only kids with irresponsible gun owners for parents that die from guns. I guarantee you that
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accidents will always happen, i had plnty of guns laying around the house, never had 1 accident with gun.
what i can tell you is i was almost burned to death by playing with gasoline and fire. my right leg was filled with 2nd and 3rd degree burns.
had an accident with a motorcycle, wasnt my aprents but a family friend stored in in garage i took the kee and thought it was easy enough to ride, almost died.

so yeah accidents will always ALWAYS ALWAYS happen. i did not die. but there are plenty of things that could kill kids. there are examples of it all over the world.

if your criteria for banning guns is kid related deads. we should ban pools.
want some statistics?

in 2011 unintentional injury deaths for children age 1-4 is:
1.unintentional drowning
2.unintentional moving vehicle traffic death.
3.unspecified homocide
and at number 9 is homicide firearm

age group 5-9
1. unintentional mv traffic
2 unintentional drowning
3.unintentional fire/burn
4. homicide firearm

and at number 8 unintentional firearms/


heck take a look:
https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/..._highlighting_unintentional_injury_2011-a.pdf



so the accidents and kids is BS. there will always be evil there will always be accidents. thats not a reason to infringe on someones liberty
 
Stoked said:
Stop reading what you want me to say and read what I did say.

I never used words such as "only" or "always". But yes children's deaths from guns are usually the result of someone being irresponsible, criminal, negligent or simply making a dumb mistake with guns.

No cars, no car related deaths.

Preach all you want. But my right to own a gun is not determined by someone else's actions. You disagree, obviously, and that is fine. But that doesn't really matter either.

That doesn't mean that changes are not needed. But that has been gone over in depth on here.
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Stoked said:
Could I make a stupid mistake? Of course I could. I am, like you said, human. But let's not pretend that the way I do things is how it is done across the country by everyone.

We all know plenty of people that are much freer and less responsible with their firearms.

Which is why I said "skewed" instead of all.
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I was simply pointing out that having guns in your home puts you and your family in more danger than not having guns in your home. The chances of you stopping a criminal in your home from hurting your family is lower than the chance of you or a family member hurting themselves with your guns
NAOS said:
Are you considering getting into archery?
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No.
I have shot bow and arrow before and it was fun but I don't want to spend the money to buy the equipment
 
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