SUCCES! the left winning at banning guns!!!!!!!!!

[Stoked]

Btw stoked, I have multiple guns in my own house and when I have my first child in 6-7 months I aint gonna get rid of em.

I consider myself to be a responsible, well trained, gun owner. Yet I still know that risk of my guns hurting myself or my loved ones still exists

There is always some risk. Always.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Btw stoked, I have multiple guns in my own house and when I have my first child in 6-7 months I aint gonna get rid of em.

I consider myself to be a responsible, well trained, gun owner. Yet I still know that risk of my guns hurting myself or my loved ones still exists

and you are a free man who calculates risk, and then decide to do what you want.
liberty and responsibility!

good bro!

 

[fishonjazz]

There is always some risk. Always.

Untrue.

If I own no gun then I have zero chance of hurting myself with my own gun.

There would be other risks like someone breaking into my home and attacking me but the chance is smaller of that happening than of me being hurt by my own guns that I do own.
Thing is even if I do have guns it doesn't eliminate the chance of someone breaking in and killing or hurting me.... But not having guns does 100% eliminate the chance of me getting hurt by my own gun

 

[DutchJazzer]

In my 38 years I have never needed a gun either and grew up in and still live kearns. (Thought of as one of the more dangerous areas in utah)

In my 44 years of life I have never been in situation where I needed a gun. And I lived in much worse country when it comes to crime then USA. Go get your paranoia treated.

well guess what i have been protected by guns, a ditactor his henchman wanted too shot me while i was only a lil wee boy.
if not for civilians having guns i would have been shot.

not because you are fishonjazz never needed it means other people don't need it or will never need it. i hope u guys never need it. i have needed it several times.



but if we work like that. i never need pork, it causes fat people lets ban in
in my decades in existence i never needed pork.


guns are essential to liberty and all that good stuff, if you don't need em fine. but don't mess with other humans liberty. unless they personally attack someone else his liberty.
i am no threat to your liberty so why should i not have the means to defend myself against others who want to take liberty away?
or is self defense not allowed?

this is common sense

 

[Stoked]

Untrue.

If I own no gun then I have zero chance of hurting myself with my own gun.

There would be other risks like someone breaking into my home and attacking me but the chance is smaller of that happening than of me being hurt by my own guns that I do own.
Thing is even if I do have guns it doesn't eliminate the chance of someone breaking in and killing or hurting me.... But not having guns does 100% eliminate the chance of me getting hurt by my own gun

I was talking about there is always risk in owning a gun in a home with kids. There is always some degree of risk. I thought that was a given in our discussion.

But there are plenty of other things that introduce risk into a home with kids. Chemicals, medication, cars...

Hell with my 8 year old she is at risk anytime she is awake. Woke up this morning while I was getting ready for work. As she walked out to the living room to tell me goodbye she walked right into the corner of the wall. Clumsy as hell.

 

[Dr. Jones]

One question.

Why don't we completely disban our military, completely?

 

[fishonjazz]

One question.

Why don't we completely disban our military, completely?

2 reasons.
1. Our military need guns to protect me, you, and everyone else. (Civilians don't NEED guns. everyone I know has never needed a gun)
2. Our military are not killing lots of our own civilians with their weapons.... I never hear about grenade attacks, rpg attacks, jet attacks, etc, on our civilians by our military

 

[DutchJazzer]

2 reasons.
1. Our military need guns to protect me, you, and everyone else. (Civilians don't NEED guns. everyone I know has never needed a gun. untill they need one)
2. Our military are not killing lots of our own civilians with their weapons.... I never hear about grenade attacks, rpg attacks, jet attacks, etc, on our civilians by our military(untill the military turns on the people of a coutnry like they did in the 80's in dutchjazzer country of origin)

FIXED.

dont believe me:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Surinamese_coup_d'état


there are lots of examples across the world of the government turning on the people or large part of the people

 

[MVP]

but if we work like that. i never need pork, it causes fat people lets ban in
in my decades in existence i never needed pork.

You are misinformed. Pork does not cause fat people. Carbs do.

 

[MVP]

i am no threat to your liberty so why should i not have the means to defend myself against others who want to take liberty away?
or is self defense not allowed?

this is common sense

If you have a gun you are threat to my liberty and safety. You can't guarantee that one day you won't get crazy or drunk and start shooting people in movie theater. You having no gun gives me that guarantee.

 

[DutchJazzer]

If you have a gun you are threat to my liberty and safety. You can't guarantee that one day you won't get crazy or drunk and start shooting people in movie theater. You having no gun gives me that guarantee.

if you have a car and your my neighbour you are a threat to my children safety. you can't guarantee that one day you wont get crazy or drank and start driving over children in the neighborhood. you having no car and no alcohol gives me that guarantee.

and i could kill any man at anytime without needing a gun

 

[mellow]

There can always be a situation where even with multiple guns you will get killed if somebody stronger, bigger, with bigger gun or better shooting skills will come into your house - because of the stupid laws you have who allow anybody to have guns.
Chances of that happening in Japan is 0.01%. I would take that number anyday over right of having gun.

From time to time I forget two of my own axioms:

1-Never post on Jazzfanz when I'm ticked about something else in life.
2-Stay away from General Discussion.

My apologies. Carry on.

 

[Dr. Jones]

2 reasons.
1. Our military need guns to protect me, you, and everyone else. (Civilians don't NEED guns. everyone I know has never needed a gun)
2. Our military are not killing lots of our own civilians with their weapons.... I never hear about grenade attacks, rpg attacks, jet attacks, etc, on our civilians by our military

I am truly flabbergasted by this.

 

[DutchJazzer]

If you have a gun you are threat to my liberty and safety. You can't guarantee that one day you won't get crazy or drunk and start shooting people in movie theater. You having no gun gives me that guarantee.

again you LACK COMMON sense, and you are uneducated when it comes to guns, weapons, war, crime and danger.
i am done talking with you cus if after 44 years you do not see the stupidity in enacting laws to stop criminals from doing something.
after millions of laws are made and criminals keep doing crime what makes u think MORE laws will stop them?

WHAT!?!

 

[fishonjazz]

I am truly flabbergasted by this.

Ya it's all pretty confusing

 

[Miggs]

I was talking about there is always risk in owning a gun in a home with kids. There is always some degree of risk. I thought that was a given in our discussion.

But there are plenty of other things that introduce risk into a home with kids. Chemicals, medication, cars...

Hell with my 8 year old she is at risk anytime she is awake. Woke up this morning while I was getting ready for work. As she walked out to the living room to tell me goodbye she walked right into the corner of the wall. Clumsy as hell.

Brilliant logic. Except the discussion isn't about chemicals, meds and cars. It's about guns.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Brilliant logic. Except the discussion isn't about chemicals, meds and cars. It's about guns.

i was gonna go the other route.
like people could go crazy and beocmea pedophile.
i dont want the risk of kids getting raped. so why dont we cut off all mens penis.

as soon as they hit puberty we cut of the penis but freeze a few dozen laods of his sperm so he can procreate later if need be.
this way there is no risk of kids getting raped.

men having penises is a risk to people getting raped.
its infringing on the victims liberties.

sex is useless anyway

 

[fishonjazz]

One question.

Why don't we completely disban our military, completely?

I'm flabbergasted as to why you asked this question without discussing it further. Did you have an answer or point.

I am truly flabbergasted by this.

Thanks for your meaningful contribution to the thread

 

[moevillini]

One question.

Why don't we completely disban our military, completely?

I am unfamiliar with the term disban. Please advise.


just kidding - I'm only channeling my inner viny

 

[Dr. Jones]

I'm flabbergasted as to why you asked this question without discussing it further. Did you have an answer or point.

Thanks for your meaningful contribution to the thread

It's called a starting point or speaking point. One shouldn't always spew their beliefs in an instant if they are truly engaged in meaningful conversation.

I asked the question because pro-gun posters are being heckled with labels such as paranoid and afraid of their neighbors.

Having a military is admitting the same, imo, albeit on a much larger scale.

Let me get on a personal level, Jake. I never owned a gun, ever, until about the time I had my third child. My wife was jogging on our street and a guy pulled up and grabbed her trying to force her into his vehicle. Luckily, my wife is kind of a badass so it didn't work. Not more than 3 months later we had someone break our backdoor while we were asleep and entered our home. Thankfully, he had broken into several homes that night and police were on his trail. Almost the same time he entered police came right behind him. He had held another family that night at gunpoint.

I decided to buy protection as a DUTY to my family. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I would expect most reasonable people to appreciate my right to do so.