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Suspicious packages sent to Obama, Clinton, and CNN Offices

Archie Moses said:
I only read his tweets about his experience being a bomb detonator. He may very well be a super Trumper, but he still knows a lot more than most people about bombs.
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Sure. The people who are promoting his tweets (and he seems to infer this as well) are drawing the conclusion that because the devices are meant to scare people rather than actually explode, this is evidence that it's a left wing false flag operation, which seems like a hell of a leap.
 
Zombie said:
Sure. The people who are promoting his tweets (and he seems to infer this as well) are drawing the conclusion that because the devices are meant to scare people rather than actually explode, this is evidence that it's a left wing false flag operation, which seems like a hell of a leap.
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I agree with that.

There are a lot of odd things about the packages, but I wish people would bite their tongues before pointing fingers.
 
Archie Moses said:
I agree with that.

There are a lot of odd things about the packages, but I wish people would bite their tongues before pointing fingers.
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At this point the most reasonable assumption is that whoever sent it was some nutbag who wanted to send a threatening message to the targets, just like whoever it was that sent that envelope full of corn starch to Donald Trump Jr. It's possible that's not the case, but it seems to be most straightforward and simple interpretation of the facts.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Do you know how Red's humanitarian crisis figures are compiled by airwar? Social media. You go on twitter, from outside your destroyed mud hut in remote Afghanistan desert, and tweet out I just died by drones hashtagTrump hashtagCivilianCasualty. That is literally how his humanitarian numbers are being created.
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Really? I think I might have gone over your head again. I was referring to America's involvement in Yemen, that humanitarian crisis, which was highlighted by the recent crisis over Khashoggi's murder, and the numbers were compiled by the UN, not Twitter or others of the social media universe.

But, it's likely you reject any UN statements as well, though I guess I shouldn't think I can read your mind as easily as you presume you can know mine.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...ppearance-has-accomplished-what-50-ncna920461

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...&gwh=14CA371155157FB842E8A55832221A7D&gwt=pay

And from listening to someone who is far more closely abreast of the problem, the humanitarian crisis that is, and from whom I can learn and inform myself. It's an education in process, but social media has little to do with it. Twitter has nothing to do with the numbers compiled for the war in Yemen. You sound detached from reality, actually, if you believe such a thing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...le-world-s-worst-crisis-shireen-al-ncna906286

This really doesn't belong in this thread at all, but so long as you chose to post nonsense about the subject, I'll leave this aside to at least educate you on this particular subject. I mean, your analysis above is absurd.
 
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Sooooooo predictable

Trump now endorsing the false flag narrative. And seems only bothered about this terrorism because it might cost his party some votes. He’s such a piece of ****.

 
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Harambe said:
Good job. To add, here's a prettier looking site that says the same thing, but simpler.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
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I was pretty tired last night, or I would have just found this:

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LOL!!!

Well... there goes the false flag narrative.

Middle aged white guy from Plantation, Florida who drives this:



Anyone wanna take bets on if he’s a Q-Anon freak, alex jones fan, and lover of guns and Kavanaugh? Hates BLM and thinks this caravan is the next apocalypse?

Methinks republicans and Fox News are gonna focus on that caravan even more now. “Hey look! Spanish speaking brown people! They’re coming! Run for hills!”

Trump’s vitriol has consequences.
 

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MAGA Is getting desperate.

Thanks mike for tweeting this out right now. Really appreciate it. We definitely needed a reminder about the economy at s moment like this.

 
Red said:
Really? I think I might have gone over your head again. I was referring to America's involvement in Yemen, that humanitarian crisis, which was highlighted by the recent crisis over Khashoggi's murder, and the numbers were compiled by the UN, not Twitter or others of the social media universe.

But, it's likely you reject any UN statements as well, though I guess I shouldn't think I can read your mind as easily as you presume you can know mine.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...ppearance-has-accomplished-what-50-ncna920461

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...&gwh=14CA371155157FB842E8A55832221A7D&gwt=pay

And from listening to someone who is far more closely abreast of the problem, the humanitarian crisis that is, and from whom I can learn and inform myself. It's an education in process, but social media has little to do with it. Twitter has nothing to do with the numbers compiled for the war in Yemen. You sound detached from reality, actually, if you believe such a thing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...le-world-s-worst-crisis-shireen-al-ncna906286

This really doesn't belong in this thread at all, but so long as you chose to post nonsense about the subject, I'll leave this aside to at least educate you on this particular subject. I mean, your analysis above is absurd.
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The UN doesn't have a real estimate and they say as much in their report. It's available from the Office of High Council. A little advice, you might have to open the docx in virus protection mode like I did.

  • Most deaths are assumed and completely unknown because they are assumed to have happened in Houthi controlled territory where no data or investigation is possible.
  • Death counts are not taken from any official record. Instead, numbers are created and compiled by team members by reading newspapers, social media, conducting interviews where possible, and visiting sites where possible.
  • The task force is composed of only three experts in international law.
  • Resolution adoptions come with or without a vote from members, with proposals often orally given, orally revised, with later oral updates only.
  • The most recent resolution on human rights situation in Yemen extended the mandate for Eminent International Experts by a vote of just 44% in favor

  • Comittee members provide zero data to back their orally revised findings.
  • Confidence in the data is so low that no confidence interval is given to estimate the high margin of error. In fact, it appears the variables are so numerous and wishy washy that no effort was taken to make statistical calculations (how can you calculate "we are guessing because we have absolutely nothing to go on in Houthi territory?").

The reports from the high council are good enough for a broad and generic overview of the plight, and what may (or may not) be happening. They mostly point to the Houthi's as the perpetrators, and all current reportings have the Saudis and UAE as working toward solutions and attempting to minimize collateral damage. That doesn't back your claims against Trump.

"There was never a humanitarian solution to a humanitarian crisis. The solution has always been political" said UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres. The Houthis refused to meet with the purpose of resolving humanitarian issues, scapegoating Saudi security as the reason for not showing up. They gave no reasons for withholding aid from starving citizens, and have refused to correct the embedded corruption inside their ranks that is responsible for abusing aid packages for personal gain.

The Saudis have assured Executive Director of the WFP David Beasley that the lifeline port will remain open at all costs. About 80% of Yemen's food comes externally, and Beasley accuses Houthis "of breaking every human principle imaginable" in impeding aid and bombing UN warehouses.

UAE and Saudis have funded most the aid. Saudi Ambassador to the UN says "I dont know any war in the world where the war was conducted with such a strong humanitarian dimension". Saudi and UAE, fighting on behalf of the internationally recognized and supported Yemen government, has given the majority of aid (that rebels are stealing, withholding from citizens, and profiting from).

The Saudis leaving is an option. Your option. That means leaving millions of malnourished and sick in the hands of rapist, murdering rebels friendly to Iran who would rather starve their own people than relinquish power. How do you see those people being treated after a Saudi withdrawal? Surely no better.
 
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gandalfe said:
http://debatepedia.idebate.org/en/index.php/Citation
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I dont see how this is relevant. What more proof is required by the lazy TDSers? If something widely discussed and reported in the media for over a year, studied and debated by criminologists, Congress, and research groups, and sourced from FBI data isnt enough then nothing will be. Some of you are simply too blinded by party allegiance to accept any data that might stain your faith.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
I dont see how this is relevant. What more proof is required by the lazy TDSers? If something widely discussed and reported in the media for over a year, studied and debated by criminologists, Congress, and research groups, and sourced from FBI data isnt enough then nothing will be. Some of you are simply too blinded by party allegiance to accept any data that might stain your faith.
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:rolleyes:
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Some of you are simply too blinded by party allegiance to accept any data that might stain your faith.
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If I regard the short-term increase at the end of Obama's term as a temporary random variation that could happen at any point, and not indicative of an overall trend which, when you get down to it, has more to do with an aging population, the absence of lead in gasoline exhaust over the past few decades, and legalization of abortion than any particular Presidential policy, would I still be too blinded by party allegiance to accept any data that might stain my faith?
 
Archie Moses said:
I've seen this from multiple people and it's making me cringe. It's more than likely the doing of an alt right nut job. I have no doubt they'll be caught soon enough.
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Called it.

The guy looks like a villain in a movie.

Glad they caught him so fast. More glad no one was hurt.
 
One Brow said:
If I regard the short-term increase at the end of Obama's term as a temporary random variation that could happen at any point, and not indicative of an overall trend which, when you get down to it, has more to do with an aging population, the absence of lead in gasoline exhaust over the past few decades, and legalization of abortion than any particular Presidential policy, would I still be too blinded by party allegiance to accept any data that might stain my faith?
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You're blaming increased rapes and murder on aging population and lack of leaded gasoline? Yes, absolutely. What kind of wind tunnel did I step into?
 
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