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Thank God for Trump reality thread

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I was taught to count my blessings no matter what. It's a life skill that enables the human to stride on through the bad times.

This thread is for liberals. "God" is a placeholder notion invoking stuff we know nothing about, but hope will work out good. Like Pelosi told you to do with the ACA.
 
JazzGal said:
This thread is not really for liberals.

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I understand using the term "God" will be a huge mental, and emotional, stumblingblock for many who falsely claim the exalted "Right" to believe their TV news talking head "Pastors" who have established a stranglehold on the thought of those who faithfully "believe" the news.

However, if you are happy with the way things are, you don't need any "God". "God", as I said, is a placeholder notion for the powerless, the disenfranchised, the marginalized, the downtrodden, and whoever feels they have no hope in this world left except for the desperate outreach towards the unknowable, in hopes of finding some way of coping with "the way things are".

I know you have believed the news, and believed that government will fix everything, and that all is right with the world, until now.... until Trump got elected to the Presidency of the US. And perhaps even you will begin to notice that the news anchors have been lying to you for years.

I am pointing out that now you have the same hope in the unseen, in the unknowable, in the ultimate goodness of life and the universe, that conservatives have had to clutch through the Obama years.

Seize the day, gal. Make the most of it.
 
DutchJazzer said:
rights come from god.

liberals think rights come from governments.

this is offensive to them
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"Rights", as I was using the term, mean what Ambrose Bierce would say they are. A few limited degrees of freedom from constraint amongst the thousands of things we are powerless to defy. Some, perhaps either liberal or conservative, view government as somehow validating those few freedoms. A lot of "Rights" are merely imaginary, and have no objective reality, but we are happy because we believe we have freedom in some respect.

What with all the fuss with demonstrations against democracy provoked by an angry and still-dishonest Press enraged that most people just don't believe them anymore, I take it that those who show up for these demonstrations must believe their government has been stolen from them.

No, Hillary lost the election, somebody else won, again. There will be more elections, and they will get to vote again. These protesters believe the lies they're told by their Press. Pretty much emotional, not rational sorts of notions about women, LGBTs, minorities, whatever little slices of the populace the Press has been lying to, somehow being marginalized. No fundamental human rights are under threat here. Trump is not going to do stuff like Hitler. If anything he will be the most conciliatory President we've had in the past decade.

The Press is losing what little reality it ever had.
 
Trump elected will have a good long term impact. This election was a last stand by an old backwards group. It is the end, not the beginning. The tides are turning against the ideas Trump presented. It has mobilized and united the vast majority of Americans who disagree with him and his ideas. People are fighting for rights they should not have to fight for but are willing to. The next election cycle in 2 years will show a shift. People got complacent or younger people didn't realize they have to fight for what they want the world to be but Trump has helped motivate, mobilize and show people what complacency will get you. Trump is historically the least supported president the day he took office and his support will decline and the voice of those that oppose his lying, hateful and fear mongering speech will grow.

America will endure Trump just fine and be better in spite of him. That will be his legacy.
 
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Ron Mexico said:
Trump elected will have a good long term impact. This election was a last stand by an old backwards group. It is the end, not the beginning. The tides are turning against the ideas Trump presented. It has mobilized and united the vast majority of Americans who disagree with him and his ideas. People are fighting for rights they should not have to fight for but are willing to. The next election cycle in 2 years will show a shift. People got complacent or younger people didn't realize they have to fight for what they want the world to be but Trump has helped motivate, mobilize and show people what complacency will get you. Trump is historically the least supported president the day he took office and his support will decline and the voice of those that oppose his lying, hateful and fear mongering speach will grow.

America will endure Trump just fine and be better in spite of him. That will be his legacy.

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That's one theory. The other theory is that the people that oppose Trump are mostly young people who one day will grow up. When you grow up, you gain a different perspective on things.

Another theory is that people are actually starting to see through the divisive identiy politics of the left.

So while things may change and we will probabaly move in another direction for the better. I dont think that better is one where what the left does now is the favored version.
 
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That's one theory. The other theory is that the people that oppose Trump are mostly young people who one day will grow up. When you grow up, you gain a different perspective on things.

Another theory is that people are actually starting to see through the divisive identiy politics of the left.

So while things may change and we will probabaly move in another direction for the better. I dont think that better is one where what the left does now is the favored version.
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A. Many people on the right dont like trump
B. Many old people dont like trump
 
Computer said:
That's one theory. The other theory is that the people that oppose Trump are mostly young people who one day will grow up. When you grow up, you gain a different perspective on things.

Another theory is that people are actually starting to see through the divisive identiy politics of the left.

So while things may change and we will probabaly move in another direction for the better. I dont think that better is one where what the left does now is the favored version.
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It's a fact most people don't support Trump and his support is already declining among all ages. People don't ditch their morals as they age. They don't adapt to new thing necessary though. People might be more conservative when they are older but those are to new issues not the issues they feel strong about now.

I also don't care what are things you think are left or right, those are arbitrary. Those are besides the point. I don't vote left or right like most people.

Morals are trending upward in this country and will continue to go that way. Basic human rights being extended to everyone regardless of your race, sex, sexual orientation or other silly things that people try to identity people as and discriminate against them for.
 
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I have voted Republican many times in many elections, including this election (not the president for obvious reasons).

I did decide this year that I will never vote for a Republican again until they drop this from their official platform:

Traditional marriage and family, based on marriage between one man and one woman, is the foundation for a free society and has for millennia been entrusted with rearing children and instilling cultural values. We condemn the Supreme Court’s ruling in United States v. Windsor, which wrongly removed the ability of Congress to define marriage policy in federal law. We also condemn the Supreme Court’s lawless ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges, which in the words of the late Justice Antonin Scalia, was a “judicial Putsch” — full of “silly extravagances” — that reduced “the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and
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The data and the facts lead to an inescapable
conclusion: Every child deserves a married mom and
dad.
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I think Marriage should be dropped as a government thing for everyone. We should not pay the government for a marriage license and let them tell us anything about our marriages. But as long as they are still a government thing Gay Marriage should be allowed and that will never change.

I also wont vote or support them until they drop this:
America’s healthcare professionals should not
be forced to choose between following their faith
and practicing their profession.
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Supporting healthcare providers to discriminate because of someones sexual preference or anything else is awful. If someone needs medical attention it does not matter who they are or what they believe.

And this:

We support the right of parents to consent to medical treatment for their minor children
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Allowing parents to be able to put their kid in conversion therapy is despicable and this applies to other things I do not agree with as well.

There are a bunch of other things in the official Republican platform that I dislike but those are not debatable to me and are backwards. I hope the Republican party can move forward and be supportable in the future.

Here is the official platform if anyone wants to read it.

https://prod-static-ngop-pbl.s3.amazonaws.com/media/documents/DRAFT_12_FINAL[1]-ben_1468872234.pdf
 
Ron, the kind of Republicans who hatch statist morals and definitions are the ones over-reacting to extremist governmental agendas for the State to replace existing norms with idealistic euphorical beliefs about some Peter Pan fantasy or another.

Many people who voted for Trump are more libertarian, and even Trump doesn't have a moralist ax to grind on these issues.

I don't think it's the government's place to dictate conscience.
 
DutchJazzer said:
rights come from god.

liberals think rights come from governments.

this is offensive to them
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Actually, I think this is a missed swing at the pitch. "liberals" who believe government validates or creates rights are not what they imagine themselves to be at all. Yes, they may howl when "conservative" statists line up to define morals and enlist government to throw dissenters in the hoosegow, but their response is to make up their own definitions and do the same to those who howl about that.

The world view that government is the source of validation for opinions or beliefs is a fairly widespread deficit. Certainly, todays progressives are all that in spades, what with all the PC moralizations and such. It's an old problem, and we just haven't gotten past it yet.
 
DutchJazzer said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2R2btO4MEo

she is seriously not thanking god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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See now this kind of **** just comes off as ridiculous. It reminds me of the people screaming, crying, rolling around in the ground, and passing out when Princess Di died. Ugh. Such utter crap.
 
LogGrad98 said:
See now this kind of **** just comes off as ridiculous. It reminds me of the people screaming, crying, rolling around in the ground, and passing out when Princess Di died. Ugh. Such utter crap.
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look i hated leaders from different countries for different reasons1

my left wing homecountry leader was a straight up murder killed people in cold blood, is a convicted drugdealer, but when he got chosen as president nobody who was against it reacted like that.

th funny thing is with all these marches/protest/hysteria, i see more people turning to trump. cnn lies they turn to him.



also if this woman is so hysterical about a president in a republic which has checks and balances. it shows how ignorant she is of the situation, or she is falling for the lies that trump is literally Hitler. so if so she is "justified" in reacting like that, she truly believes trump is EVIL and will take her whatever right away!


this is why it is iumportant to have a non left leaning mainstream media! and why CNN and such need to be held accountable.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Trump elected will have a good long term impact. This election was a last stand by an old backwards group.
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Why do you have to be so hateful an not understanding? You do realize your "backward group" have reason behind there thinking?

No, clearly you do not. There is no room for conversation here.
 
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