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The “I’m a Mike Conley hating bitch” list

jope said:
Only starter with a negative BPM thus far. Most generalization metrics (PER, VORP, etc) have him pegged as a below average player. Discouraging, he was brought in to be a shooting upgrade over Rubio, but so far Ricardo has been the better shooter (MC 37/34/79 — RR 39/34/86)

Ricky is also averaging way more assists (w/ 4:1 to ratio wow) and rebounds and is a positive BPM. So far Conley has not been an upgrade in any area while costing us fan favorite players, multiple firsts, and possibly flexibility next year if he picks up his nearly $35M player option.

At this point, approaching a quarter of the season already, fans should be worried about the reality of the situation.
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Looking at overall season stats is misleading. You are including a few outlier games that could be considered some of the worst shooting nights in Conley's career. If you look at his recent play (last month), he is averaging 16ppg on 39.2% shooting and 37.5% from 3. He is an upgrade over Rubio. You can't just look at fg% and conclude Rubio is the better shooter.

Conley shoots of the bounce, way tougher shoots than Rubio, who is left open by design. He also has a deadly floater game which has been inconsistent. Overall, he keeps defenders honest.

Most importantly, what you see now is Rubio at his peak. That's it. We had him for two years and it was obvious for everyone that we, as a team, had a pretty low ceiling with him as our starting PG. If Conley gets more consistent, we are a contender. I expect Conley to land somewhere around 41fg%, with 37% from 3 and averages of 16.5ppg, 3rpg, 5apg for the season (and once those outlier games have less weight).
 
LogGrad98 said:
I'm really starting to question his bball iq.

So I'm inclined to think it's Conley. Maybe his bbiq is worse than we thought. So far nice guy, crappy ball player.
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Or maybe it's you. No offense. Did you follow his career in Memphis? It's a 12 year sample size. The guy is one of the smarter players out there. It was a pleasure to watch how he destroyed defenses with Gasol on his side.

I think it's a combination of him struggling a bit, adapting to Quin's system and personnel. It almost comical when he runs pick n' roll with Rudy and gives him the ball 10 feet from the basket (that was a deadly pick n' roll with Gasol's floater). He is making less of those mistakes.
 
latin jazz said:
Looking at overall season stats is misleading. You are including a few outlier games that could be considered some of the worst shooting nights in Conley's career. If you look at his recent play (last month), he is averaging 16ppg on 39.2% shooting and 37.5% from 3. He is an upgrade over Rubio. You can't just look at fg% and conclude Rubio is the better shooter.

Conley shoots of the bounce, way tougher shoots than Rubio, who is left open by design. He also has a deadly floater game which has been inconsistent. Overall, he keeps defenders honest.

Most importantly, what you see now is Rubio at his peak. That's it. We had him for two years and it was obvious for everyone that we, as a team, had a pretty low ceiling with him as our starting PG. If Conley gets more consistent, we are a contender. I expect Conley to land somewhere around 41fg%, with 37% from 3 and averages of 16.5ppg, 3rpg, 5apg for the season (and once those outlier games have less weight).
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Maybe it’s that he was an upgrade over Rubio on paper. I’ll cut him some more slack but we’re approaching the 1st quarter of a season...

For a superstar salary may I add.
 
As far as Conley, I've watched him a lot over the years, and outside of a stellar season in 2017 and his playoff performances, he is looking pretty similar to his past self, although it is clear he isn't as comfortable running Utah's sets, which make it harder for him to get to his preferred shooting positions low in the key (push floater). He isn't far off from his career averages. He just isn't that great, and he is 32, so he has lost a bit of quickness. Rubio wasn't the answer, but I'd take him and Favors over Conley any day of the week.

True to form, I expect Conley to improve as the season goes on, but don't expect massive improvement. I expect him to get back to 37% from 3 and start hitting inside at a similar % increase as he continues to jell with the team.

He is definitely an overpay, and the Grizz raped us on the trade. 1 first round pick was too much, let alone two. Dropping Grayson and Crowder were not big losses, but Korver would be even better with this roster.
 
latin jazz said:
Or maybe it's you. No offense. Did you follow his career in Memphis? It's a 12 year sample size. The guy is one of the smarter players out there. It was a pleasure to watch how he destroyed defenses with Gasol on his side.

I think it's a combination of him struggling a bit, adapting to Quin's system and personnel. It almost comical when he runs pick n' roll with Rudy and gives him the ball 10 feet from the basket (that was a deadly pick n' roll with Gasol's floater). He is making less of those mistakes.
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Nope. It's him. It's him shooting less than 40% on open shots. It's him creating multiple turnovers and having a career bad TO ratio. I did some soul-searching, and it's him. The previous 12 years history does exactly what for us when he can't contribute right now? Can we just say "hey guys, use his play from 2 years ago and credit us those extra points, mmkay?" Nope. It's what have you done for me lately and lately we are better off with him on the bench. I hope he figures it out because if he doesn't we are screwed.
 
latin jazz said:
He is an upgrade over Rubio. You can't just look at fg% and conclude Rubio is the better shooter.
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Rubio is a better shooter, passer, distributor, rebounder and has a higher Basketball IQ than Conley! Why were we leading the league in dunks with Rubio distributing the ball.....but struggle to get dunks with Conley calling the shots at PG? And to think were paying Conley TWICE as much money as we were Rubio......is mind boggling!
 
I'm not an "I told you so" kind of fan, but on the Jazz fan board I used to frequent, I expressed strong opposition to this trade when it was first proposed back in early 2019. I thought we could get someone as good or better in the free agent market (Brogdon was my first choice), without giving up so many assets. I truly hope Conley eventually proves me wrong, but that hope is fading quickly.
 
Jazzta said:
Maybe it’s that he was an upgrade over Rubio on paper. I’ll cut him some more slack but we’re approaching the 1st quarter of a season...

For a superstar salary may I add.
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At his best (or average night), Conley is a much better player than Rubio.

I'm not going to expect him to play like a superstar (people just get carried away by his salary). At this point in his career (and in this team) he is the third best player. I'll be happy if he provides consistent production and star play when needed. He won't get the ball as much as in Memphis (and he shouldn't)
 
LogGrad98 said:
Nope. It's him. It's him shooting less than 40% on open shots. It's him creating multiple turnovers and having a career bad TO ratio. I did some soul-searching, and it's him. The previous 12 years history does exactly what for us when he can't contribute right now? Can we just say "hey guys, use his play from 2 years ago and credit us those extra points, mmkay?" Nope. It's what have you done for me lately and lately we are better off with him on the bench. I hope he figures it out because if he doesn't we are screwed.
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He is more likely to play like the last few years than the last few games. It's been a little bit over a month. The guy is not washed. He's getting anywhere he wants but just making the wrong read/pass. His floater will start falling. Feel free to continue your soul searching. I'm gonna chill and be happy when he starts playing good basketball on a consistent basis
 
Why does a change in system make it so he can't hit uncontested 3s? Does he need to go back and watch old game film to remember his shot and get his confidence back?
 
Washed or not washed is so binary, and I don't feel it is an accurate way to descibe players. Very few of them are awesome one day and out of the league the next.

I prefer to think of it in terms of moon phases. Conley is undoubtedly waning, the only debate is how much.
 
He's been okay. Not up to his contract type play but to be honest I didn't expect him to play up to his contract from the outset. He has picked up his creativity and getting his teammates involved lately though, which is great to see.
 
carolinajazz said:
Rubio is a better shooter, passer, distributor, rebounder and has a higher Basketball IQ than Conley! Why were we leading the league in dunks with Rubio distributing the ball.....but struggle to get dunks with Conley calling the shots at PG? And to think were paying Conley TWICE as much money as we were Rubio......is mind boggling!
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You are stupid
 
mdalby said:
I don't even care about the over payment. All I am asking for is average PG play.

Why is Utah where PGs go to die?
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Conley's last 10 games: 16.5 points, 5.2 assists, 4 rebounds, 1.5 turnovers, 41% shooting, 39.6% 3 point shooting. Does that seem below average to you?
 
If Conley just plays ok we win but it’s the stinkers like last game and Memphis game we lose. Here’s to mike being more consistent
 
mdalby said:
I don't even care about the over payment. All I am asking for is average PG play.

Why is Utah where PGs go to die?
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I hear you but the overpayment thus far hurts. Maybe we are too obsessed at being elite at the pg position since Stockton and DWill ?
 
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