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The costs of gay marriage

So easy for you guys to be anti gay marriage when you happen to be straight. Not that you had any control in that decision. I'm not gay but I can put myself in their shoes. People too bullied to speak out against gay marriage? Lol, that is such a hilarious thing to say. Kinda like how gays felt too bullied for so long to speak out for equal treatment? Glad gays are now part of the liberal elite so they can keep the normal meek majority anti-gays down, those ********
 
Sneakers said:
So easy for you guys to be anti gay marriage when you happen to be straight. Not that you had any control in that decision. I'm not gay but I can put myself in their shoes. People too bullied to speak out against gay marriage? Lol, that is such a hilarious thing to say. Kinda like how gays felt too bullied for so long to speak out for equal treatment? Glad gays are now part of the liberal elite so they can keep the normal meek majority anti-gays down, those ********
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I can't take you serious when you talk about putting yourself in other people's shoes. I just can't do it.
 
Sneakers said:
Not sure you're serious, but lack of empathetic ability is certainly a sign of cognitive malfunction
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Well, not "certainly". "possibly" I wouldn't quibble about, but "certainly" in connection with a diagnostic label like "cognitive malfunction" is just prejudicial.

what does happen with males during development as a result of testosterone floods is the severing of many neural connections between the two hemispheres of the brain, an perhaps other neurological developmental changes. Women are quite justified in criticizing males for "not getting it" because our thinking is more focused, being based on fewer interconnecting inputs.

I believe our society is being transformed by our plastic technologies. . . . in one specific way among possibly many. . . .. being the effects of phyto-estrogenic plasticizers in our food containers and other plastic products which are causing impairment of male developmental processes that require testosterone. I don't call that "progress" I call it an epidemic of feminized males.
 
Sneakers said:
So easy for you guys to be anti gay marriage when you happen to be straight. Not that you had any control in that decision. I'm not gay but I can put myself in their shoes. People too bullied to speak out against gay marriage? Lol, that is such a hilarious thing to say. Kinda like how gays felt too bullied for so long to speak out for equal treatment? Glad gays are now part of the liberal elite so they can keep the normal meek majority anti-gays down, those ********
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Sneakers said:
Not sure you're serious, but lack of empathetic ability is certainly a sign of cognitive malfunction
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Are you trying to bully me? Put yourself in my shoes, Sneakers... and tell me how it feels.

I'm sure there was some bullying going on somewhere, but that would not be the only or even main reason they didn't speak out at first.
When laws have been made, declared or implicit, and you are doing something against those laws or norms... you tend to hide it and keep it quiet so nobody knows you are "doing something wrong". You also get the bullying or abuse from extremists that feel it is up to them to punish someone that is doing something wrong.

Some people may feel too bullied to speak out, a good chunk are likely too lazy or apathetic to do something about it.

So easy for you guy to be anti anti gay marriage when you happen to be... what? You are not gay... oh, you are someone smarter and more talented than those people that oppose gay marriage. It must be that you are superior to them if they don't think your way. It can't be that they see something you don't and they choose to make a stand. Nope, not that.
 
JazzSpazz said:
Obviously you have no issues with one of them, but it wasn't always this way. Again, in the name of progress we now have been enlightened after thousands of years and it has come to our attention that some of these taboo acts are cool. They have all been taboo, now at this point only some of them are taboo to most people. How long before the rest are okay? I mean, we will continue to progress, become enlightened and realize the error of our ways... right?
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Obviously not, because my post was said in jest. Masturbation being on par with infanticide is an absolute joke. Of course, the debate of when human life begins, is what makes the infanticide debate rather troublesome to have.

A couple things, though:


1) When any sort of 'amoral' movement begins, it simply does not take up steam on a guaranteed basis. Think eugenics in the 30s.

2) Your perception of this 'slippery-slope' is hilariously flawed, and rightfully shared by the minority of Americans, thankfully.

babe said:
yup. spoken like a true zealot for your cause. So what is the distinction between partial birth abortion and "infanticide", or even late term abortion in your mind, and do you really expect us to believe you don't think these things are for the good of the planet and just as harmless and/or beneficial as masturbation?????

Probably some thinking gay folks really wish you'd just shut up and stick to the talking points about reasonable things gays need out of society in terms of job benefits and inheritance law, for example.
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Again, I said the post in jest. There is no ****ing way that they are on the same level. Any half-wit should understand this. See my post afterwards that made a mockery of this notion of "all taboos being equal".

So please, leave aside the 'zealot' and 'shut up' talking points aside, babe. It would be much more reasonable if y'all just admitted that you have a problem with ****, instead of hiding behind these humorous posts veiling your homophobia.
 
Regardless, I'm done with this conversation. You can all keep telling yourselves that this is a sign that America is going to grant people freedom to murder and rape people. Keep telling yourselves that morals have never really changed until recently. Keep longing for the 'good old days', a humorous societal construct where the Christianity of 300 years ago would not be able to recognize popular Christian faith of today. Keep drawing parallels between a homosexual couple and an incestuous couple, despite their several important fundamental differences.

And most importantly: keep continuing to push your perspectives of faith, and morals, onto the legal system of a country that is supposed to be inclusive of views outside your own, as long as they are not harming society. Because your faith, and your homophobic morals derived from your faith, are something that we should push onto a country of 300 million people.
 
Sandy Braille said:
Regardless, I'm done with this conversation. You can all keep telling yourselves that this is a sign that America is going to grant people freedom to murder and rape people. Keep telling yourselves that morals have never really changed until recently. Keep longing for the 'good old days', a humorous societal construct where the Christianity of 300 years ago would not be able to recognize popular Christian faith of today. Keep drawing parallels between a homosexual couple and an incestuous couple, despite their several important fundamental differences.

And most importantly: keep continuing to push your perspectives of faith, and morals, onto the legal system of a country that is supposed to be inclusive of views outside your own, as long as they are not harming society. Because your faith, and your homophobic morals derived from your faith, are something that we should push onto a country of 300 million people.
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Well, you're clearly so deeply immersed in this world view you can't see the irony of your progressive agenda imposing your way on a nation of 360 million human beings who mostly don't really think the way you do.
 
Sandy Braille said:
Regardless, I'm done with this conversation. You can all keep telling yourselves that this is a sign that America is going to grant people freedom to murder and rape people. Keep telling yourselves that morals have never really changed until recently. Keep longing for the 'good old days', a humorous societal construct where the Christianity of 300 years ago would not be able to recognize popular Christian faith of today. Keep drawing parallels between a homosexual couple and an incestuous couple, despite their several important fundamental differences.

And most importantly: keep continuing to push your perspectives of faith, and morals, onto the legal system of a country that is supposed to be inclusive of views outside your own, as long as they are not harming society. Because your faith, and your homophobic morals derived from your faith, are something that we should push onto a country of 300 million people.
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Luckily very few share the wrong opinion that this psuedointellectual shares.
 
washington (the borowitz report)—Justice Antonin Scalia dropped a bombshell on the supreme court today, announcing his decision to resign from the court “effective immediately” and leave the united states forever.

Calling this week “by far the worst week of my life,” Justice Scalia lashed out at his fellow-justices and the nation, saying, “i don’t want to live in a sick, sick country that thinks the way this country apparently thinks.”

Justice Scalia said that he had considered fleeing to Canada, “but they not only have gay marriage but also national health care, which is almost as evil.”

He said the fact that nations around the world recognizing same-sex marriage are “falling like deviant dominoes” would not deter him from leaving the united states: “there are plenty of other countries that still feel the way i do. I’ll move to Iran if i have to.”

Throwing off his robe in a dramatic gesture, justice scalia reserved his harshest parting shot for his fellow-justices, screaming, “Damn you! Damn each and every one of you to hell! You call yourself judges? That’s a good one. You’re nothing but animals!”

Breathing heavily after his tirade, he turned to Justice Clarence Thomas and said, “Except you, cCarence. Are you coming with me?”

Justice Thomas said nothing in reply.

Read more: https://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/03/bitter-scalia-leaves-us.html
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lol :-)
 
So, does anyone have any CONCLUSIVE PROOF that growing up in a gay or lesbian household is harmful to children? Harmful to society? I haven't seen any yet.
 
moevillini said:
So, does anyone have any CONCLUSIVE PROOF that growing up in a gay or lesbian household is harmful to children? Harmful to society? I haven't seen any yet.
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What do you consider CONCLUSIVE PROOF?

What do you consider harmful to children, what do you consider harmful to society?

I'm pretty sure the answer changes depending on your definitions.

Those definitions usually vary to some degree depending on the outlook of the individual. What I see as harmful is probably much different than what you think harmful is.
 
babe said:
Well, you're clearly so deeply immersed in this world view you can't see the irony of your progressive agenda imposing your way on a nation of 360 million human beings who mostly don't really think the way you do.
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Rofl, keep whining about the progressive agenda. Its hilarious. "Imposing your way"... never mind the fact that most if not all metrics I've seen indicate at worst an equal number of Americans pro and against gay marriage.
 
Few thoughts on this, in more a Q&A format.

Q: Homosexuality is a sin.
A: I cannot attest to Islamic or Jewish thoughts, but as far as Christianity, this is iffy. The Bible, in Leviticus, is seems clear on this. Lev. 18:22 "Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Also, Lev. 20:13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Alright. But make sure you include salt in your daily prayers to Yahweh (Lev. 2:13), that you bathe your animal before petting it (Lev. 5:2), that your jeans have no holes (Lev. 10:6), you are certain about the contents of your hot dog, (Lev. 11:4-7), didn't have the lobster (Lev. 11:10-12), aren't so randy as to nail anything that moves (Lev. all of Chapter 18), are certain that it's a 100% cotton blend t-shirt (Lev. 19:19), and keep your appointment for laser tattoo removal (Lev. 19:28). Folks are picky about what they choose to follow anyway and have been for centuries. We've not been struck dead yet.

So what about the Big Guy? Well, according to biblical records, Christ never mentioned it. Not once. He must not really care. Between some ranting towards the Romans and what he said, it maybe wiser to follow his example.

Q: Isn't Homosexuality a mental disorder?
A: No. The World Health Organization AND American Psychiatric Association are extremely explicit on this fact. The APA for 40 years at least.

Q: Homosexuality isn't natural.
A: Humans are not the only animal to exhibit those traits. Animals from Lions to Sea Horses have been seen and documented displaying such behavior. Keep in mind, these are "unthinking" beasts, so this may not be much of a choice. The jury is still out on that, but it's irrelevant to me.

Q: What about the children? Traditional Marriage is best for the kids!
A: What about them? Several studies have been done regarding this question and have concluded that there is no harm to children whom are raised in a non-traditional marriage. For that matter, most of the them are more well adjusted than other kids.

As far as traditional marriage, well that 50% divorce rate is sure great, isn't it?

In the end, as far as my hetero-manly mind can come up with is a simple question.

Q: Is it right to tell two consenting adults whom love each other they can't marry?
A: No, it's not. It's not unnatural, the sin is selective, and there is no harm to society. Our country was founded on the rights of people to do whatever the hell they want, provided no harm is done to another party. It is wrong, in that pretext, to tell two folks who love each other they can't enjoy those benefits that I have with my wife.

As far as how they consummate that marriage isn't my deal. Lawrence v. Texas made it clear that it's fine. Loving v. VA made marriage a civil right (exact wording). To me, the only arguments that are left are simply based on fear.

Fear is a reflex, an unthinking stance that people have to what they don't understand. Courage is a choice. In my own case, I choose to make that choice.
 
There is no point in arguing with Spazz. People like him have their biased opinion drilled in their head from birth and it is set in stone. Don't waste your time trying to explain to this guy how humans SHOULD treat eachother.
 
JazzSpazz said:
What do you consider CONCLUSIVE PROOF?

What do you consider harmful to children, what do you consider harmful to society?

I'm pretty sure the answer changes depending on your definitions.

Those definitions usually vary to some degree depending on the outlook of the individual. What I see as harmful is probably much different than what you think harmful is.
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Anything and everything can be equivocated.


OK, give me some concrete examples where a child raised in a household with two parents of the same sex/gender acted in a manner that caused grave damage to some segment of society?

I'm saying that I don't think such conclusive proof exists. If you think it does, let me know what fits that category for you.
 
Scat said:
Homosexuality was, and probably still is in certain states, illegal by proxy via anti-sodomy laws.
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Actually, this is incorrect. Lawrence v. Texas (2003) struck these down wholesale. States still have them on the books, including Utah, but they are unenforceable. Homosexuality is not illegal.
 
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