gregbroncs
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How could you people possibly let Hack troll you for this long? One of the stupidest threads in a long time and he continues to get responses to his BS.
The Jazz drafting philosophy sucks
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Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I'm shocked I haven't received one. He usually gives me one the moment I call him an idiot.
It's been a while since I've called him an idiot. Thought I'd take advantage of this opportunity to do so.
Can we please stop bitching about drafting Hayward over Paul George? Teams before us drafted far worse players than Hayward.
Boo-hoo, of all the players drafted after Hayward, ONE ****ing player ended up being better. I guess Utah's drafting philosophy sucks because they don't always get the best player they possibly can. Just like every other team in every other professional sport.
Boo-hoo, of all the players drafted after Hayward, ONE ****ing player ended up being better. I guess Utah's drafting philosophy sucks because they don't always get the best player they possibly can. Just like every other team in every other professional sport.
Hack + NAOS = Pooping back and forth. Forever.
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Miggs
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I simply thought he'd outdone himself as far as stupidity goes.
The Jazz Wonderbra
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Hack...
Go ahead and draft next year's class ahead of the draft to prove to us who is a no brainer. When you are done, wait 1 year and go ahead and post this thread again. We'll see if your picks are better than the Jazz's. Then let's do it for a decade. If you keep up your flawless 20/20 decision making then we can hire you to be an analsyst (typo?) for the Jazz.
ijazz
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Agree!
In addition, we do not know how PG would have done in Utah and vice-versa.....
The Jazz Wonderbra
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Seriously... inspect the drafts since DL took over. He took over in 2012, but admitted the first year he deferred a bit.
We got easily one of the top 2 picks in 2013 in Gobert with the 27th pick. We also drafted the second leading 'off the bench' player in the NBA.
We got easily one of the top 7 picks in 2014 with the 23rd pick with Rodney Hood. We also drafted a player who has explosive upside compared and the highest likelihood of bust or home run perhaps available for the spot.
2015 marks a decided strategic pick. There is a TYPE of player that we draft, yes. But put yourself in the position of a manager. You are hiring someone you will work with, travel with, daily... what type of culture do you want? Sac town STILL have major issues with DeMarcus.
So, we draft Trey who isn't looking to be the impact player that Hood and Gobert are 30 games into the season and you cry boo hoo.
1. Have patience... there is a great trend above that couldn't be matched by 90% of the teams given the draft spots
2. Think... management changed yo. You should probably take that into account when whining about the current management style. DL at the top has me excited.
3. Kanter was a bust, but he was exactly the type of low character, stubby armed, star or bust type thug that you are begging for.
4. CJ McCollum is a high character guy, but not a point guard which we desperately needed. At the time, I think most of us didn't want a combo guard with Alec on the bench. Now... you must have had the vision and foresight to pick McCollum now that he is having a crazy break out year after 2 years of doing nothing (during which you weren't preaching the failure of the Jazz not drafting McCollum now were you).
Your position is still unclear... you want thugs, but you don't want Kanter. You don't want 'nice guys' but you think we were fools to not draft McCollum? You want to aim for the fences and Exum isn't good enough. So, what exactly do you think the draft strategy is again? What are you even saying here?
Hindsight, you blistering pile of festering puss
We got easily one of the top 2 picks in 2013 in Gobert with the 27th pick. We also drafted the second leading 'off the bench' player in the NBA.
We got easily one of the top 7 picks in 2014 with the 23rd pick with Rodney Hood. We also drafted a player who has explosive upside compared and the highest likelihood of bust or home run perhaps available for the spot.
2015 marks a decided strategic pick. There is a TYPE of player that we draft, yes. But put yourself in the position of a manager. You are hiring someone you will work with, travel with, daily... what type of culture do you want? Sac town STILL have major issues with DeMarcus.
So, we draft Trey who isn't looking to be the impact player that Hood and Gobert are 30 games into the season and you cry boo hoo.
1. Have patience... there is a great trend above that couldn't be matched by 90% of the teams given the draft spots
2. Think... management changed yo. You should probably take that into account when whining about the current management style. DL at the top has me excited.
3. Kanter was a bust, but he was exactly the type of low character, stubby armed, star or bust type thug that you are begging for.
4. CJ McCollum is a high character guy, but not a point guard which we desperately needed. At the time, I think most of us didn't want a combo guard with Alec on the bench. Now... you must have had the vision and foresight to pick McCollum now that he is having a crazy break out year after 2 years of doing nothing (during which you weren't preaching the failure of the Jazz not drafting McCollum now were you).
Your position is still unclear... you want thugs, but you don't want Kanter. You don't want 'nice guys' but you think we were fools to not draft McCollum? You want to aim for the fences and Exum isn't good enough. So, what exactly do you think the draft strategy is again? What are you even saying here?
Hindsight, you blistering pile of festering puss
Miggs
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LULZ. Looking at former threads, you loved Treyde Burke...but now, oh now, you say the Jazz screwed up because he sucks. Got it.
Joe Bagadonuts
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ROTFLMAO!
Repped.
Joe Bagadonuts
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I don't doubt it at all, but I wish you had posted some samples.
Coach Ellis
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Check out the thread Hack started about drafting Burke. So funny in context.
IMO, the two biggest mistakes were picking Burke over Antetokounmpo (who I loved) and not committing to the tank and chasing Wiggins/Parker.
They've done well with Hayward, Burks and getting Favors. Crapped the bed with Burke and Kanter. Hit home runs with Gobert and Hood. Some hits, some misses and some great picks. Better than most teams.
We have an Annual JazzFanz's Draft Homer's List going each year to see who got it right and who got it wrong... you can take a look if you're interested here:
2013
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?16884-Official-Thread-2013-Draft-JazzFanz-Homer-List
2014
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?30028-Official-Thread-2014-Draft-JazzFanz-Homer-List
2015
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?41181-Official-Thread-2015-Draft-JazzFanz-Homer-List
jimmy eat jazz
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Just to be fair, Hack doesn't get paid millions per year to make personnel decisions. DL and other Jazz FO staff do. Thus we might reasonably expect DL and FO staff to make better personnel decisions on average than Hack, and it is fair to judge DL and FO staff in hindsight as to whether they are doing their job well, just like every job review looks at past job performance. I'm not saying I agree with Hack, just that I think some of the criticism leveled at his is unfair.
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BluesRocker
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It's always wise to remember former posts before making bold threads. I can pat myself on the back for really liking Hassan Whiteside and saying the Jazz should have traded down (or acquired a late first to get him). But I also liked Xavier Henry. OOPS!
At least I had Cole Aldrich as a certain bust. But it would have been good to trade down and end up with Bradley or Bledsoe in the late teens and then have gotten Whiteside in the early 20's. Hindsight, of course. And it really took failure and being out of the league for Whiteside to get his **** together. Not certain that Hassan having a guaranteed contract for 3 years would have motivated him enough. I just looked at his journey back to the NBA and it's pretty impressive. After being cut by the Kings in 2012, he played for 7 different teams (DLeague and overseas) before Miami took a chance on him.
At least I had Cole Aldrich as a certain bust. But it would have been good to trade down and end up with Bradley or Bledsoe in the late teens and then have gotten Whiteside in the early 20's. Hindsight, of course. And it really took failure and being out of the league for Whiteside to get his **** together. Not certain that Hassan having a guaranteed contract for 3 years would have motivated him enough. I just looked at his journey back to the NBA and it's pretty impressive. After being cut by the Kings in 2012, he played for 7 different teams (DLeague and overseas) before Miami took a chance on him.
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akirac73
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Fair or not, the comparisons and bitching will never stop unless Hayward magically becomes a bigger star than PG. It's always the player drafted right before the superstar/HOF'er that catches hell and is forever second guessed with "what if" scenarios...Sam Bowie could probably explain this far better than I can.
addictionary
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I see absolutely no problem with the way the Jazz are heading.
The are offering a future that is brighter by far and less mediocre compared to the previous seasons. If they somehow fail to show patience, the whole plan will fail. So I hope they shut their ears to criticisms like why the Jazz cannot grab a superstar in free agency or they should tank for the next Lebron or whatever. The Jazz have the right mentality to build up and play this game right.
Maybe, the next step can be grabbing a more experienced star player that can lead and score and trying hard for him. But they have to be careful since most of the time acquiring stars can have negative effects on the chemistry.
Wherever this goes, the main thing is to stay hardworking as much as possible and don't settle for what your current performance gives you. Or you are going to deplete like a battery soon and lose the motivation to become a contender.
The are offering a future that is brighter by far and less mediocre compared to the previous seasons. If they somehow fail to show patience, the whole plan will fail. So I hope they shut their ears to criticisms like why the Jazz cannot grab a superstar in free agency or they should tank for the next Lebron or whatever. The Jazz have the right mentality to build up and play this game right.
Maybe, the next step can be grabbing a more experienced star player that can lead and score and trying hard for him. But they have to be careful since most of the time acquiring stars can have negative effects on the chemistry.
Wherever this goes, the main thing is to stay hardworking as much as possible and don't settle for what your current performance gives you. Or you are going to deplete like a battery soon and lose the motivation to become a contender.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Just to be fair, there's a very good reason that Hack doesn't get paid millions per year to make personnel decisions, and he's proving it in this thread.