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Gameface said:
Well when the front runner for DOPY goes down you'd think so, you'd really really think so.
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Yep. My bet is it doesn't skip much of a beat. I watched the last couple GSW games (before the Phoenix game) and frankly didn't really notice when Draymond was on or off the floor. Their defensive system and effort is consistent across their roster. Pretty impressive actually. Although, there are definitely lapses, it isn't like it's impenetrable.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yep. My bet is it doesn't skip much of a beat. I watched the last couple GSW games and frankly didn't really notice when Draymond was on or off the floor. Their defensive system and effort is consistent across their roster. Pretty impressive actually. Although, there are definitely lapses, it isn't like it's impenetrable.
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They're the best ever. There's never been anybody as ruthless. Their style is impetuous. Their defense is impregnable. They're just ferocious.
 
infection said:
Lucky for GSW, I don't believe their plan is to have nobody play defense except Draymond.
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No but the obviously implied comparison is to Rudy, and if you take Rudy out for extended periods of time our defense suffers noticeably. Less so this season with Whiteside. So you'd expect something of a reduction in defensive performance if the "DPOY" is not on the floor for entire games.
 
infection said:
Lucky for GSW, I don't believe their plan is to have nobody play defense except Draymond.
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Sure, but if your BEST and the BEST defender in the entire NBA misses time you'd expect at least some sort of drop off, would you not?
 
Gameface said:
Sure, but if your BEST and the BEST defender in the entire NBA misses time you'd expect at least some sort of drop off, would you not?
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How much would you expect a team to suffer if a head coach missed a few games?

Frrreal, I think discussions about Draymond’s defensive impact should resemble that kind of discussion to a considerable degree.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
It will be interesting to see if the GSW defense drops off at all without Draymond.
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Draymond is a team defender who could help turn a good defensive team into a great defensive team, but not from a bad defensive team into a good one. His defense depends a lot on his teammates ability to switch defensively and guard different positions, which this GSW team is now capable of doing, unlike that team from last year. They should be fine. Not as good, but fine.
 
jom2003 said:
As things stand, we are the only team in the league that hasn't had players entering protocol
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Its coming... hopefully we aren't going to be at a huge disadvantage. The wait period is shorter now so that is positive. We've played a couple teams that had someone enter protocols so I keep waiting to see our first case.
 
NAOS said:
How much would you expect a team to suffer if a head coach missed a few games?

Frrreal, I think discussions about Draymond’s defensive impact should resemble that kind of discussion to a considerable degree.
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Ehh, He's on the floor physically defending people in one case and not on the floor physically defending people in another case and a "worse" defender has to take his place. I think it is entirely different than a coach missing a few games.

I mean is he a DPOY candidate because he created the Warriors defensive scheme and taught all the players how to execute it? Or is it because he has the physical ability to defend better than any other player in the league?
 
NAOS said:
How much would you expect a team to suffer if a head coach missed a few games?

Frrreal, I think discussions about Draymond’s defensive impact should resemble that kind of discussion to a considerable degree.
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Are the Warriors claiming that Draymond is the mastermind behind their defensive schemes? I hadn't heard that, so I'm curious if this is just speculation. If so, do you happen to have a link?

Somehow Steph has even bought in. Seeing Steph play defense gives me hope for Donovan.
 
Steph has always been a good defender. He never messes up rotations and also creates turnovers. His effort has been strong and consistent his whole career.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Are the Warriors claiming that Draymond is the mastermind behind their defensive schemes? I hadn't heard that, so I'm curious if this is just speculation. If so, do you happen to have a link?

Somehow Steph has even bought in. Seeing Steph play defense gives me hope for Donovan.
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Not sure what you mean by mastermind. I wouldn’t think they’d call him the creator, but I do think they’d say they’ve built the entire system around him, and that he has coach-level responsibilities when it comes to teaching it and holding others accountable.
 
Gameface said:
Ehh, He's on the floor physically defending people in one case and not on the floor physically defending people in another case and a "worse" defender has to take his place. I think it is entirely different than a coach missing a few games.

I mean is he a DPOY candidate because he created the Warriors defensive scheme and taught all the players how to execute it? Or is it because he has the physical ability to defend better than any other player in the league?
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Cool.

For the record, I don’t think the conversation should be identical to that of a coach.
 
The amount of gravitas Draymond has with the rest of his roster is, unfortunately, way beyond that of Gobert’s gravitas on the jazz. That’s unfortunate; and certainly not a result that you can pin all on Rudy. Obvi.
 
NAOS said:
The amount of gravitas Draymond has with the rest of his roster is, unfortunately, way beyond that of Gobert’s gravitas on the jazz. That’s unfortunate; and certainly not a result that you can pin all on Rudy. Obvi.
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100%.... roster and the league as well. If Draymond lets you know you effed up a defensive rotation he's being a leader.... Rudy does it and he's "wearing guys out". There is obviously tact and other things that come with that territory.

The other thing is with officials... the level of respect Dray and CP get and what they are allowed is bonkers... it kills me when you see Rudy get elbowed in the throat for the 100th time and they call the foul on him... like its the first time officials have seen the guy. Dray gets to go at officials so hard too.

All that said Dray is great and basically a basketball savant... does ****ing circles around the NBA on TNT guys when he is on.
 
Okay so I think I'm starting to understand what NAOS was getting at, which is that Green has established the defensive identity of the Warriors and formed the culture and expectations on that team of what it means to play defense on the Warriors.

Point conceded.
 
This would likely be a good year to take the #1 seed in the west. The way the seeding is shaking out, considering injuries and everything else, the Jazz, Suns and Warriors will be the top 3 seeds. It's then looking as though Memphis will be in the 4 or 5 seed, and it's becoming increasingly likely that Denver will be in the 4 or 5 seed as well. Dallas and the Clippers will likely end up in the 6 - 8 range. While Minnesota and the Lakers are also contenders for the final two playoff spots.

If the Jazz can take the #1 seed, they'll likely face Dallas, the Lakers or Minnesota in the 1st round. (If the Clippers were to fall to the 8th seed, it would mean there's something wrong with them.) The Jazz would then face the winner between the Grizzlies and Nuggets in the 2nd round. The Jazz would be expected to win both rounds with neither series going to 7 games. The Jazz would then face the survivor between the Warriors and Suns, and they'd have homecourt advantage in the WCF. That's as reasonable a playoff draw as the Jazz could expect.
 
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