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jom2003 said:
Jae is 6'6 on NBA.com and basketball reference. Royce is 6'4 sometimes 6'5 but never 6'6. If you ever watched a jazz game in 2018 where they played together you can see Jae is clearly bigger
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I'm just gonna quote myself from this same conversation happening elsewhere:
NUMBERICA said:
Here are your real measurements.

Official player heights are supposed to be without shoes (which is how Royce went from 6' 6" to 6' 4", Donovan went from 6' 3" to 6' 1", etc).

The point here is size on the margins is kinda relevant but quite overrated in terms of importance.

Don't ask me why Conley is listed at 6' 1" on NBA.com when he is 5' 11" w/o shoes, while Mitchell is listed at 6' 1" when he's 6' 1.25" w/o shoes and 6' 3" in shoes. On that note, people need to not perceive them as the same size; Donovan is two full inches taller, has a wingspan four full inches wider, and is 40 pounds heavier than Conley (saying nothing of the difference in explosion). Mitchell doesn't have awesome size for a SG, but he's really not that undersized if undersized at all when you take everything into consideration.
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You're a touch fixated on Crowder.
 
Jingled said:


"Likely Hall of Fame career" LMAO
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There are lots of Halls of Fame… for instance we used to hang our polo shirts with our names embroidered on them up on the wall when someone got fired or quit at the circuit city warehouse in Orem. I was a two time hall of famer… once in high school and once in college.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I'm just gonna quote myself from this same conversation happening elsewhere:

You're a touch fixated on Crowder.
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too bad we don't have royce combine measurement but watching them play together in 2018 still got me convinced that Crowder is bigger. but that's a moot point since him ain't coming back.
 
Not sure how I feel about an in-season tournament. I guess it could make the regular season more exciting.

 
Jingled said:
Not sure how I feel about an in-season tournament. I guess it could make the regular season more exciting.

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In season tournament featuring who? What would the winner get?


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fishonjazz said:
In season tournament featuring who? What would the winner get?


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I'm an avid soccer fan. I follow Arsenal and Inter Milan very closely.

Let's just use English soccer associations for example. They have an annual tournament that involves all of the soccer teams in the association. Teams from the bottom division all the way through to the top. These matches are played through the late fall and early spring in addition to their own respective league match schedule. After each round, the teams are all drawn for the next matchup. So it's not seeded; the next opponent is drawn out of hat For an NBA example, you might see Golden State vs Charlotte round 1, but then Golden State could get drawn with the Bucks Round 2 while the Knicks might get drawn with the Kings.

The whole idea of the tournament is to give every single team a chance to win this "silverware" on any year. Most times, the heavy weights of English soccer choose to use this tournament as a time to play their youth or get older players back in better form. The bigger teams in the country focus on huge European competitions or their own domestic league championship aspirations. Lesser teams maximize their rosters for this tournament because they know it's their best chance to win something that season.

So for the NBA, I see it as a showcase event during the year. A single elimination tournament that some teams might take seriously and others won't as much. Like I doubt the Nets or Lakers would really push for it, but a team like Charlotte might go all in. I mean, why not? It could be good for team exposure if they make a long run in the tournament.

I think the GLeague will probably be part of this eventually, and I wouldn't be shocked if bigger Euro teams aren't invited way down the road. This tourney would be a great way to grow the game internationally.
 
Jingled said:
Not sure how I feel about an in-season tournament. I guess it could make the regular season more exciting.

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Interesting. No idea what this could represent.
 
LoPo said:
I'm an avid soccer fan. I follow Arsenal and Inter Milan very closely.

Let's just use English soccer associations for example. They have an annual tournament that involves all of the soccer teams in the association. Teams from the bottom division all the way through to the top. These matches are played through the late fall and early spring in addition to their own respective league match schedule. After each round, the teams are all drawn for the next matchup. So it's not seeded; the next opponent is drawn out of hat For an NBA example, you might see Golden State vs Charlotte round 1, but then Golden State could get drawn with the Bucks Round 2 while the Knicks might get drawn with the Kings.

The whole idea of the tournament is to give every single team a chance to win this "silverware" on any year. Most times, the heavy weights of English soccer choose to use this tournament as a time to play their youth or get older players back in better form. The bigger teams in the country focus on huge European competitions or their own domestic league championship aspirations. Lesser teams maximize their rosters for this tournament because they know it's their best chance to win something that season.

So for the NBA, I see it as a showcase event during the year. A single elimination tournament that some teams might take seriously and others won't as much. Like I doubt the Nets or Lakers would really push for it, but a team like Charlotte might go all in. I mean, why not? It could be good for team exposure if they make a long run in the tournament.

I think the GLeague will probably be part of this eventually, and I wouldn't be shocked if bigger Euro teams aren't invited way down the road. This tourney would be a great way to grow the game internationally.
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But those kind of tournaments in soccer are treated seriously in most European countries because of the tradition it has and most importantly it ensures the qualification to the Europeans competitions. It can be very appealing for the clubs from the middle of the pack while top ones don't care so much as they qualify for it through the league. My main question with nba in season tournament is what would be the incentive to make it appealing for the teams while not favouring big markets more than they are now.
 
Suns are 24-3 in clutch time this year. That's utterly ridiculous and historic.

For those curious, we are by far the worst playoff team in this metric.
 
Avery said:
Suns are 24-3 in clutch time this year. That's utterly ridiculous and historic.

For those curious, we are by far the worst playoff team in this metric.
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Generally those numbers are inconsistent and more luck. Often a team good at it one year will be bad the next. But this feels different for both the Jazz and the Suns. They are playing at a crazy high level in the clutch, crazy good. Our system falls apart on both ends of the court in the clutch way too often. The question is does this change in the playoffs or not. The downside for Suns is that they are pushing pretty hard for the top record. We pushed pretty hard for that last year and it lead to us limping into the playoffs. Will it hurt the Suns this year? I dont know. As far as our team goes something needs to change before the playoffs so we can perform well in the final few minutes of close games, since most playoffs games are close. Mitchell does step up pretty much always in the playoffs, but we need more than that this year from other players.
 
Avery said:
Suns are 24-3 in clutch time this year. That's utterly ridiculous and historic.

For those curious, we are by far the worst playoff team in this metric.
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I wonder if suns fans bitch that thier team shouldnt allow the opponent to hang around and even be in clutch time. Im pretty confident that if the jazz had the same season going that the suns do the posters on here would be bitching that we dont put teams away enough and we are playing our guys too many minutes trying to get the #1 seed, etc


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fishonjazz said:
I wonder if suns fans bitch that thier team shouldnt allow the opponent to hang around and even be in clutch time. Im pretty confident that if the jazz had the same season going that the suns do the posters on here would be bitching that we dont put teams away enough and we are playing our guys too many minutes trying to get the #1 seed, etc


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You sir, are correct. Because that is exactly what we were doing last season.
 
fishonjazz said:
I wonder if suns fans bitch that thier team shouldnt allow the opponent to hang around and even be in clutch time. Im pretty confident that if the jazz had the same season going that the suns do the posters on here would be bitching that we dont put teams away enough and we are playing our guys too many minutes trying to get the #1 seed, etc


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Yes... coming off a finals run with a decent lead at the top of the conference we'd be some whiny *** bitches.
 
LoPo said:
I'm an avid soccer fan. I follow Arsenal and Inter Milan very closely.

Let's just use English soccer associations for example. They have an annual tournament that involves all of the soccer teams in the association. Teams from the bottom division all the way through to the top. These matches are played through the late fall and early spring in addition to their own respective league match schedule. After each round, the teams are all drawn for the next matchup. So it's not seeded; the next opponent is drawn out of hat For an NBA example, you might see Golden State vs Charlotte round 1, but then Golden State could get drawn with the Bucks Round 2 while the Knicks might get drawn with the Kings.

The whole idea of the tournament is to give every single team a chance to win this "silverware" on any year. Most times, the heavy weights of English soccer choose to use this tournament as a time to play their youth or get older players back in better form. The bigger teams in the country focus on huge European competitions or their own domestic league championship aspirations. Lesser teams maximize their rosters for this tournament because they know it's their best chance to win something that season.

So for the NBA, I see it as a showcase event during the year. A single elimination tournament that some teams might take seriously and others won't as much. Like I doubt the Nets or Lakers would really push for it, but a team like Charlotte might go all in. I mean, why not? It could be good for team exposure if they make a long run in the tournament.

I think the GLeague will probably be part of this eventually, and I wouldn't be shocked if bigger Euro teams aren't invited way down the road. This tourney would be a great way to grow the game internationally.
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I'm not sure it would work, but I think in general fans and leagues are too married to doing the same thing. The play in has been successful in doing exactly what they wanted. Provides some drama and keeps 5-6 teams from tanking each year because they still believe they in it. We'd probably win the in season tournament at some point and hang a banner and get mocked.
 
fishonjazz said:
I wonder if suns fans bitch that thier team shouldnt allow the opponent to hang around and even be in clutch time. Im pretty confident that if the jazz had the same season going that the suns do the posters on here would be bitching that we dont put teams away enough and we are playing our guys too many minutes trying to get the #1 seed, etc


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If we were winning, nobody would be bitching. Winning means everything.
 
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