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The Official 2014/15 Tank Watch thread

Jamezz said:
You really think that playing for a team that is blatantly tanking in the open a good place for a player's development. In that kind of winning culture they're set to be new Spurs aren't they? Sorry but I wouldn't be able to root for a team like that. We tanked last year but at least we didn't make fools of ourselves. Plus you can say it's lasted one year. Couldn't have another year of that crap tbh.
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Oh but we certainly did. Dante Exum is on Boston right now if this doesn't happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuqsZ0uoj8U
 
I have concerns about Karl Towns' athleticism and in-between game at the pro-level. Of course, he's still young and developing, and I'll also watch him more, but I'm not convinced he's a top-3 player in this draft at first glance.
 
Jamezz said:
They might be... No seriously what a f*** joke of a franchise, let's suck for a few years in a row and get like 4-5 top 3 picks. What a disgrace to real competition. I hope it backfires on them and remain miserable for years to come.
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And besides that, it breeds a losing mentality that teams just can never break. All you have to do is look at those losers in Golden State. I'll bet they wish they had never seen the day they cheated us. Their fans probably don't even get that exited for their wins, because of all the shame.
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I'd rather be smart and win than noble and stuck in mediocrity.
 
Jamezz said:
You really think that playing for a team that is blatantly tanking in the open a good place for a player's development. In that kind of winning culture they're set to be new Spurs aren't they? Sorry but I wouldn't be able to root for a team like that. We tanked last year but at least we didn't make fools of ourselves. Plus you can say it's lasted one year. Couldn't have another year of that crap tbh.
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They're not blatantly tanking; they don't have the players to win. A couple are hurt; the rest if the team is young. There's little difference between what Philly did last season and what Utah did. Philadelphia traded away vets at the deadline; Utah let vets go at the end of the previous season and refused to sign good players to the roster. Jazz started with a PG rotation of Lucas/Tinsley. That's a BLATANT tank.

Problem with Utah is that they tanked a year late. Should have gotten rid of the vets a year earlier and had a top-10 pick in 2012 as well.

I've only seen one team purposely throw away games: Golden State. They would bench starters in the 4th and throw balls way out of bounds to give up leads (and the team would be laughing on the sidelines). Philly was just bad last season due to personnel, as was Milwaukee, Orlando, Boston and Utah.
 
And we're now tied for 7th worst record.

Funny how last season we were actually hoping for losses just like tonight: close game, key players show promise, but we just come up short.
 
Stifle Tower said:
And we're now tied for 7th worst record.

Funny how last season we were actually hoping for losses just like tonight: close game, key players show promise, but we just come up short.
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Wow.. we might have a chance at Karl Towns... A Towns & Favors front court is just too tantalising to imagine.
 
I think Porzingis would be a great get for the Jazz.

Exum/Burks/Hayward/Porzingis/Favors could be pretty special.

I don't want to bag on Towns. I think he's a likely All Star and elite prospect. He just isn't a high-impact athlete like Anthony Davis.

Porzingis also has pretty elite mobility and timing for a 7-footer. These are the things that are holding Kanter back a bit. I think Porzingis looks like the best European big prospect in several years.
 
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ONE LOVE said:
... but in the meantime I find that it does help to ease the pain.
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or can give false hope

i wanted either parker or wiggins so bad.... and ya. we have exum so i am happy but still.

I still remember that ****ty feeling when we got 5th and cavs got 1st
 
dong2ha said:
or can give false hope

i wanted either parker or wiggins so bad.... and ya. we have exum so i am happy but still.

I still remember that ****ty feeling when we got 5th and cavs got 1st
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Haha... we all live in hope bro. That's all we can do.
 
Cy said:
We should be 3-0 on this road trip. This thread is nonsense and bringing BAD VIBES.
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Lol at the idea that this team can win on the road. Winning consistently on the road is the last step a team takes in becoming elite. Have to crawl before you can run, let alone fly.
 
Stifle Tower said:
I've only seen one team purposely throw away games: Golden State. They would bench starters in the 4th and throw balls way out of bounds to give up leads (and the team would be laughing on the sidelines). Philly was just bad last season due to personnel, as was Milwaukee, Orlando, Boston and Utah.
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Benching starters for minor injuries, when they could have played is something that pretty much every team in the league has done. Nobody is playing their best team at the end of a season if it means dropping spots on a high pick, let alone if it means losing a pick entirely. As for the GS players throwing games, that didn't happen. Otherwise, explain the win against Denver that basically caused the pick to go to a coin flip. If it's a blatant tank, nobody let's the pick go to a flip. GS almost had a major PR headache because of the fact they DIDN'T secure the pick, and had they lost it, their FO would have looked like fools. GS was smart, and the only stupid thing they did was almost losing that pick.
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Philly drafted an injured player while basically admitting part of the strategy was to suck for another year. That's more blatant than GS, as they started the year trying for playoffs, before going into tank mode after injury problems.
 
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freakazoid said:
And besides that, it breeds a losing mentality that teams just can never break. All you have to do is look at those losers in Golden State. I'll bet they wish they had never seen the day they cheated us. Their fans probably don't even get that exited for their wins, because of all the shame.
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I'd rather be smart and win than noble and stuck in mediocrity.
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freakazoid said:
Benching starters for minor injuries, when they could have played is something that pretty much every team in the league has done. Nobody is playing their best team at the end of a season if it means dropping spots on a high pick, let alone if it means losing a pick entirely. As for the GS players throwing games, that didn't happen. Otherwise, explain the win against Denver that basically caused the pick to go to a coin flip. If it's a blatant tank, nobody let's the pick go to a flip. GS almost had a major PR headache because of the fact they DIDN'T secure the pick, and had they lost it, their FO would have looked like fools. GS was smart, and the only stupid thing they did was almost losing that pick.
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Philly drafted an injured player while basically admitting part of the strategy was to suck for another year. That's more blatant than GS, as they started the year trying for playoffs, before going into tank mode after injury problems.
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I watched most of GS's games after the break and I can tell you they lost games on purpose. It was not a matter of resting players with minor injuries. They would often pull their starters after 3 periods or midway through the 4th and have the subs finish out the games (and lose leads). I can also say with 100% certainty that many of their turnovers and bad shots were intentional. It wasn't just a case of a guy cutting the wrong way. When the players AND coaches are laughing on the sideline as a lead is lost, and the ball is thrown away and shots are badly missed, that's blatant tanking. GS tried to negotiate with KOC to keep their pick. Google it. When nothing happened, the team started losing a ton of games. Sure they had injuries. But they made up a lot of ground. One isolated game (Denver) is hardly evidence. And it was not the win that caused the pick to go to a coin flip. It came with 12 games to go. There was also the final loss to SA. Spurs rested three starters; GS countered with their rookie and D-League players.

Philly is not blatantly tanking, They are not "throwing" games. Are they bad? Yes. They simply don't have the experienced talent to compete. But there is nothing wrong with drafting injured players any more than there is with drafting Euros who won't play in the NBA for a couple of seasons - or a player who has to finish his military commitment. I have not once read Philadelphia's strategy is to lose intentionally. They made the playoffs back in 2011-12 as an 8th seed, just as Utah did. The next year they missed, realized they didn't have the horses to compete and are rebuilding within the rules. Many have said Utah should have pursued the rebuild sooner by trading Al and Paul for assets. Who knows? I don't blame Philly one bit for their strategy. They're "all in" on trying to obtain a couple of franchise players via the draft instead of overpaying for mid-tier players in free agency.
 
Stifle Tower said:
I watched most of GS's games after the break and I can tell you they lost games on purpose. It was not a matter of resting players with minor injuries. They would often pull their starters after 3 periods or midway through the 4th and have the subs finish out the games (and lose leads). I can also say with 100% certainty that many of their turnovers and bad shots were intentional. It wasn't just a case of a guy cutting the wrong way. When the players AND coaches are laughing on the sideline as a lead is lost, and the ball is thrown away and shots are badly missed, that's blatant tanking. GS tried to negotiate with KOC to keep their pick. Google it. When nothing happened, the team started losing a ton of games. Sure they had injuries. But they made up a lot of ground. One isolated game (Denver) is hardly evidence. And it was not the win that caused the pick to go to a coin flip. It came with 12 games to go. There was also the final loss to SA. Spurs rested three starters; GS countered with their rookie and D-League players.

Philly is not blatantly tanking, They are not "throwing" games. Are they bad? Yes. They simply don't have the experienced talent to compete. But there is nothing wrong with drafting injured players any more than there is with drafting Euros who won't play in the NBA for a couple of seasons - or a player who has to finish his military commitment. I have not once read Philadelphia's strategy is to lose intentionally. They made the playoffs back in 2011-12 as an 8th seed, just as Utah did. The next year they missed, realized they didn't have the horses to compete and are rebuilding within the rules. Many have said Utah should have pursued the rebuild sooner by trading Al and Paul for assets. Who knows? I don't blame Philly one bit for their strategy. They're "all in" on trying to obtain a couple of franchise players via the draft instead of overpaying for mid-tier players in free agency.
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Nonsense. Tanking doesn't happen on the court. Why would players purposely play bad so the team can draft a player who is likely to challenge them for a relevant spot in the roster the following year? I doubt it that all players were in for the tanking. Heck some may have not even been in the team the following year. It's something that's orchestrated from the FO and possibly the coach. The matter in which I find Philly's tanking offensive to the game is the way they've made it so blatantly obvious. It's not cheating since it's done within the NBA rules, but it's so cheesy it's videogame like. Sorry I don't respect it.
 
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