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The Official 2014/15 Tank Watch thread

Jamezz said:
Nonsense. Tanking doesn't happen on the court. Why would players purposely play bad so the team can draft a player who is likely to challenge them for a relevant spot in the roster the following year? I doubt it that all players were in for the tanking. Heck some may have not even been in the team the following year. It's something that's orchestrated from the FO and possibly the coach. The matter in which I find Philly's tanking offensive to the game is the way they've made it so blatantly obvious. It's not cheating since it's done within the NBA rules, but it's so cheesy it's videogame like. Sorry I don't respect it.
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Then you can't respect what the Jazz did last season by trading for 3 guys who should have never seen the court and starting the season with the worst PG rotation in the history of the NBA. Certainly not all the players for GS were in on the tanking: the D-League guys were fighting for their NBA lives. But you don't need them to be in on it. When you put 4-5 D-League players in the game together, they're not going to compete with many teams. Believe what you want, but I saw the GS starters hamming it up and dancing around on the sidelines when leads evaporated after turnovers, airballs and lackadaisical effort - and Coach Jackson smiling all the while. Maybe the team was just that loose and making fun of players sucking on the court was okay with everyone. But couple that with some questionable comments by the owner and I think you have a pretty obvious tank strategy promoted from the top on down.

I guess we differ on the Philly situation. Look at the Jazz; weren't most of us irate at Ty because we felt the young "core" should have been getting more minutes?
Remember, MCW hasn't played yet due to injury. But that core has tons of potential: Noel, Embiid, MCW, Wroten, McDaniels. MCW won ROY last year. Noel and McDaniels are in the mix this season for the award. Embiid will be a top candidate next year along with whoever else they get. I think they have more upside than Utah. We already know Favors and Hayward have skills, but they are not "franchise" players. Burks is a complementary piece. Burke and Kanter are backups at best. So we place our hope on either Exum and a top-10 pick next summer being franchise players or somehow replicating the Detroit Pistons' model of success, which was good for one championship.
 
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Stifle Tower said:
Then you can't respect what the Jazz did last season by trading for 3 guys who should have never seen the court and starting the season with the worst PG rotation in the history of the NBA. Certainly not all the players for GS were in on the tanking: the D-League guys were fighting for their NBA lives. But you don't need them to be in on it. When you put 4-5 D-League players in the game together, they're not going to compete with many teams. Believe what you want, but I saw the GS starters hamming it up and dancing around on the sidelines when leads evaporated after turnovers, airballs and lackadaisical effort - and Coach Jackson smiling all the while. Maybe the team was just that loose and making fun of players sucking on the court was okay with everyone. But couple that with some questionable comments by the owner and I think you have a pretty obvious tank strategy promoted from the top on down.

I guess we differ on the Philly situation. Look at the Jazz; weren't most of us irate at Ty because we felt the young "core" should have been getting more minutes?
Remember, MCW hasn't played yet due to injury. But that core has tons of potential: Noel, Embiid, MCW, Wroten, McDaniels. MCW with ROY last year. Noel and McDaniels in the mix this season. Embiid will be a top candidate next year along with whoever else they get. I think they have more upside than Utah.
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Well all those acquisitions better work out cause' if not they'll suck for years to come, with 10 2nd round picks in the next 4 years. They're gambling big in my opinion, we'll see...
 
Jamezz said:
Well all those acquisitions better work out cause' if not they'll suck for years to come, with 10 2nd round picks in the next 4 years. They're gambling big in my opinion, we'll see...
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How is that different from Utah? If our picks don't work out, the Jazz will suck for the next 10 years and be in the lottery every season. I'd say we did ok, but not spectacular with Hayward and getting Favors for Deron. Burks has some talent. I think you can say the same about players like Wroten, MCW, Noel and McDaniels; they're just a few years behind in experience. Exum vs. Embiid: both were big gambles, neither is a lock to become a franchise player or an all-star.

With all those extra picks, Philly has a great chance of supplementing whatever talent they have, using "draft and stash" to take young int'l talent, etc. The second round is always a crap shoot. The more bullets you have to fire, the more chances you have of discovering a raw talent you can develop. Philly isn't ALWAYS going to just draft young guys and throw them out there. Just like Utah, they'll eventually add veterans here and there to fill holes. Those 2nd's can also be used in trades. Jazz went the value free agent route with Booker. I'm sure DL may try to find a couple more next summer. And just like Utah, Philly will probably have some draft misses along the way.
 
OK, Jamezz wins!

Just looked at the scoreboard. Dallas 73, Philadelphia 29 at halftime. And Dallas comes out and scores the first 5 points of the 2nd half. Let's see if this gets historic. Worst loss in NBA history is 68 pts. : 148-80 win by Cleveland over Miami.
 
If the Jazz wanted to trade out Burke and Kanter, lose more games this year, then draft a talent like Porzingis, I'd be on board.

I think our best future would be Exum / Hayward / a tough 3D bad*** / Porzingis / Favors, with Burks coming off the bench.

Now that I think of it though, the way Burke is playing may actually be helping us lose games.
 
Stifle Tower said:
GS tried to negotiate with KOC to keep their pick. Google it. When nothing happened, the team started losing a ton of games.
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GS tried to keep their pick, but that had nothing to do with tanking. Their strategy from the very beginning was shoot for playoffs, but once that falls through, try to keep your pick. It was talked about on this board before the season started, and played out exactly as predicted. The timing may have been convenient for your theory, but you still can't explain an accidental win over a Denver team that was absolutely playing to win.


Jamezz said:
Nonsense. Tanking doesn't happen on the court. Why would players purposely play bad so the team can draft a player who is likely to challenge them for a relevant spot in the roster the following year? I doubt it that all players were in for the tanking. Heck some may have not even been in the team the following year. It's something that's orchestrated from the FO and possibly the coach.
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This.
 
ONE LOVE said:
So.... about that tank.
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What about it?
 
stitches said:
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What about it?
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Haha... beginning to think this team is no where near ready to challenge for the playoffs... talent is there (albeit raw), but the mental side is definitely not there yet to make it.


We'll probably win 10-20 more games, but yeah I think we'll fade soon after the All Stars break..
 
freakazoid said:
GS tried to keep their pick, but that had nothing to do with tanking. Their strategy from the very beginning was shoot for playoffs, but once that falls through, try to keep your pick. It was talked about on this board before the season started, and played out exactly as predicted. The timing may have been convenient for your theory, but you still can't explain an accidental win over a Denver team that was absolutely playing to win.



This.
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One win. No team is going to lose 30 straight games (well, maybe Philly this season). You single out the win against Denver which was a couple of weeks before the season ended. Sorry, but I watched the 4th quarter of almost every single W's game after the trade deadline. There were very intentional coaching moves designed to "tank" on the court. There were players comically throwing the ball out of bounds - and the other players and coach smiling and dancing on the sideline. There were even thinly veiled comments from the team owner about tanking. But also credit the FO for trading for an injured center in exchange for Ellis and making Curry sit out the remainder of the season.

Not all players are going to be "in" on the tank. There are guys playing for their NBA lives. Case in point was the W's win against Minnesota in their 3rd to last game that year. It broke an 8 game losing streak. Was that evidence the team wasn't tanking? Ummm, I actually watched a lot of that game. I know, I was masochistic back then cheering for the W's to lose (just as I did in watching Knicks games when we had their pick). Minnesota went stone cold and the D-Leaguers and bench players for Golden State couldn't miss, led by Charles Jenkins.
 
ONE LOVE said:
So.... about that tank.
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Lol.
I almost bumped this thread after the Chicago game but decided to wait for the results from the game at OKC.
Looking good with the 8th worst record. And you have to figure OKC will make a move up the standings once Westbrook and Durant return. Also believe NYK and Charlotte should be better than Utah.

This is the type of season I wanted us to have last year: many close losses, with the core5 starting, players showing potential, but a weak bench just not giving Utah a chance to win against the better teams. Jazz still need more talent. I hope we can get a top-8 pick (if not top-5).
 
I dunno about you guys but it's starting to feel like i'll enjoy each game much more knowing we're tanking and not really trying to win.


Looks like another top 5 pick coming our way. Book(er) it!!!!
 
ONE LOVE said:
I dunno about you guys but it's starting to feel like i'll enjoy each game much more knowing we're tanking and not really trying to win.


Looks like another top 5 pick coming our way. Book(er) it!!!!
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I hate you!
I was going to wait until after the game to bump this thread. I guess down 19 at halftime is reason enough.
It's clear the Jazz need another stud. Hopefully Utah can get one with a top-5 pick.

Need PG, PF and wing.
1. Maybe Trey and a 2nd will get a veteran PG who can start until Exum is ready (he is such a long ways away right now).
2. Looks like PF/C is pretty deep in the draft.
3. Depending on who is available in free agency or via trade, consider moving Hayward back to SG and Alec to 6th man.

At the deadline:
Trade Booker to a contender for a late first. Try to do the same with Enes.
 
Stifle Tower said:
I hate you!
I was going to wait until after the game to bump this thread. I guess down 19 at halftime is reason enough.
It's clear the Jazz need another stud. Hopefully Utah can get one with a top-5 pick.

Need PG, PF and wing.
1. Maybe Trey and a 2nd will get a veteran PG who can start until Exum is ready (he is such a long ways away right now).
2. Looks like PF/C is pretty deep in the draft.
3. Depending on who is available in free agency or via trade, consider moving Hayward back to SG and Alec to 6th man.

Still think Hood will be a decent backup. Trade Booker to a contender for a late first. Try to do the same with Enes.
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I dunno about you but I've got my heart set on Karl Towns this year.


Karl Towns to Salt (Lake) Town!!!!
 
ONE LOVE said:
I dunno about you but I've got my heart set on Karl Towns this year.


Karl Towns to Salt (Lake) Town!!!!
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Just like last season, I'm not even dreaming about a top-3 pick. Philly has the worst record locked up. And teams like Detroit, Charlotte, Minnesota and the Lakers are really bad. So not getting hopes up for Okafor or Towns. I'm looking at the next level down (4-8).
 
With this loss the Jazz move into the 7th pick. The 3 players slotted around this spot are:

Hezonja
Porzingis
Johnson
 
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