The Black Swordsman
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Its only the first 30 sec or so.
The Official "Ask A Mormon" Thread
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Its only the first 30 sec or so.
Zulu
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Dude, it was the wrong link.. But I looked at other links on that video and I found the one you were referring to!!
So what you're saying is that The BS biffed it? Sweet!
MVP
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So one more question. Why mormom missionaries are so quick to give up? I remember back in the day I had couple of them knocked on my door. They asked if they can talk to me about god. I was in a bad mood that day and did not have time to go into long discussion so I answered that I do not believe in god and do not wish to talk to them. They left speechless. When I look back now I would have loved for them to come in, sit down, have some tea ( they probably would have refused it) and have a nice long argument about it... Since their goal is to convert other people to their faith I was perfect "sample" for them and yet they where not very interested in trying to convince me to change my mind.
I can only speak from personal experience:
When I was on my mission, I didn't try to "convince" anybody to "change their mind". All I did was share my beliefs and ask them to listen with an open mind and heart. If somebody wanted to argue with me about anything, I wasn't interested, as I don't feel that is the best way to bring the feelings of God. If somebody says they don't believe in God, or doesn't want to talk to you about Him, what's the point? I certainly wouldn't have stood there and tried to convince you to talk to me. I would have gone on and found somebody willing to do it without an argument.
MVP
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Thanks for explanation. So is there any % or numbers of converts missionaries are expected to have at the end of their mission? What if you fail to convert a single one - would that be considered a failure? Just out of curiosity did you keep track of the number you converted during your mission?
Zulu
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Don't worry you'll get 2nd, 3rd,4th...chance!!
Also you don't have a quota to meet as a missionary, you do keep #'s but there more for record purposes, not bottom line figures!!!
CONAN
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I would suggest if you want to discuss religion with the missionaries then just say so next time. I'm not a big fan of the pushy religious types and know many non-LDS that are very turned off by that. To me the missionaries did exactly what you wanted them to but now you complain about it.
FWIW, I'm sure missionaries come in all kinds and those were probably the right kind for you for that time.
It would be impossible for there to be a "quota" for baptisms for a missionary. Every person is different, both the missionaries and the people they contact. Also, each area is different in each mission. Plus, some months are just better for getting baptisms. For example, in my mission, December was always a good month for whatever reason.
Every mission is also different. Central and South America are good places for lots of baptisms. I think most of Europe is a lot harder to get baptisms (that's just my guess based on people I have talked to). I would imagine most of Asia is pretty difficult as well.
I think every missionary knows how many people they've baptized while they are out, but that would be for personal reasons.
Living in Provo for most of my life I can say it is a fact that is not true.
Because they're more attractive or because they can be had?
Zulu
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1. Man can never atone for his own sins and no unclean thing can dwell with God, Hence why Christ suffered in Gethsemane and on the Cross for us and was Raised from the Grave 3days later!! So we believe that Christ has made it possible for us to be made clean through his Atoning blood...
All we must do is accept him as our savior, repent of our sins and be baptized!
Mormons also believe if we are to attain the highest degree of heavenly glory we must make sacred covenants in the Temple and be Sealed to our spouse there as well!!
2. The book of Mormon is another witness of Christ and works in conjunction with the bible to spread the Good news that Christ is the Son of God and our one and true Savior!!
I think this is a very good answer and I felt the same way. As a missionary I wasn't there to convince anyone, I was there to present my beliefs to people who would listen.
Not really. Missions leaders set goals, but there aren't quotas or anything like that.
It would certainly have been disappointing, but to paraphrase Forrest Gump, "Failure is as failure does". That is, I would still have been proud of my service as long as I worked hard (and smart), even if I hadn't had any convert baptisms. In fact, my in laws served a mission in Switzerland 6-7 years ago, and if I recall correctly were basically in that situation--no convert baptisms that were a direct result of their efforts. And they said that wasn't at all uncommon for their area. But I think they still held their heads high.
I'm sure most missionaries do keep track. But hopefully not just of the number, but rather of the individuals.
Hot Damn! Welcome back. Keep it together please.
I think it depends on the part of Asia you go to and I have heard Africa is becoming a good place for baptisms as well.
bigB since we went to boardering missions, did you have the same problem with JWs and 7th Days that I did? They'd see you and beeline stright for you. They'd go into this big long winded, debate oriented speach about what they believe and why it is right. I'd just smile, touch their shoulder and tell them I was happy they found something that brought them closer to God. That usually ended it but it would happen every single time.
Hantlers
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Follow up questions!
Is it necessary to be baptized to be saved?
Where do you get the idea of how to attain the highest degree of heavenly glory? I'm just not quite sure where that's found at.
Thanks!
Yes you have to be baptised. We also believe that everyone, yes everyone, will have the chance to hear the gospel if they wish.