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The OFFICIAL don't draft Joel Embiid thread

dalamon said:
No one cares that you'd take Jabari first-- BUT: people care if you say "don't draft Embiid becuz Thabeet and Sene". Why do people care? Cuz that's the ****ing most stupid justification I've seen so far this year-- and now you're playing the "everyone just has it out for me" card?
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Stupid justification? As opposed to intelligent ones you've offered? Look, we're all clueless about basketball here. If we weren't, we'd work for a basketball organization. Pretending like because you watch college ball and read ESPN, you have some arcane knowledge that beantown or I don't is pretentious beyond belief. It's like people who've read 3 articles on economics on wikipedia and argue endlessly in the general forum about how everyone else is stupid and they know economy.

To me, Embiid looks like an athletic, long big who can block shots and get some points around the basket. To you, he looks like a franchise cornerstone. We can argue all day about this, but don't pull the "my understanding of basketball is better than yours" crap(obviously, this isn't aimed at just you). That's both pretentious and ignorant.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Thabeet was supposed to be "the next great big man in the NBA".

Gets drafted behind another big.
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When talking about "big men" in the NBA that refers to centers.

But to be fair I meant to say "the next great defensive big man". I never was saying he was the next Shaq, Duncan, Howard..etc...
 
JimLes said:
Stupid justification? As opposed to intelligent ones you've offered? Look, we're all clueless about basketball here. If we weren't, we'd work for a basketball organization. Pretending like because you watch college ball and read ESPN, you have some arcane knowledge that beantown or I don't is pretentious beyond belief. It's like people who've read 3 articles on economics on wikipedia and argue endlessly in the general forum about how everyone else is stupid and they know economy.

To me, Embiid looks like an athletic, long big who can block shots and get some points around the basket. To you, he looks like a franchise cornerstone. We can argue all day about this, but don't pull the "my understanding of basketball is better than yours" crap(obviously, this isn't aimed at just you). That's both pretentious and ignorant.
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Maybe you are right that we are all clueless about basketball but you are extra clueless.
You watched that highlight vid from the game against Oklahoma state and said it was all dunks and putbacks... He didn't even have any putbacks at all. Then you say his assist was actually an attempted shot that was an airball.... It was an obvious pass.
No mention of the blocks shots which is what actually took up most of the highlight video.

Jim, you are the king of us clueless folks
 
Beantown said:
When talking about "big men" in the NBA that refers to centers.

But to be fair I meant to say "the next great defensive big man". I never was saying he was the next Shaq, Duncan, Howard..etc...
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You have a really hard time being clear about things.
Try thinking about what you want to type before you actually type it out.
 
Beantown said:
No...... I was having this discussion with BLine......try and keep up gramps. Turn up your oxygen tank.
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No bro. You originally started the argument with me because you have poor reading comprehension. Go back and read it.


on the app. square bizness.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Everyone's wrong sometimes. You're wrong all the time. You come back despite continually embarrassing yourself. That you don't see the difference is itself yet another embarrassment.
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For the record, I really liked Biyombo (and still kind of do). All people will see is that, even though all I said about Biyombo is that he'd be an extremely good defender and be able to dunk the ball. He's a good defender, he can dunk the ball. But yeah, I overshot how good he was (probably because DX did too, which has trained me to take more grains of salt with that site).

I also hated the Hayward pick, like most of the smarter Jazz fans. Additionally, most non-Jazz fans thought the pick was a reach and funny. It's worked out pretty well, because nobody knows the future. I also didn't think Millsap would ever be as good as he became (but have since repented), and thought CJ Miles would be the Jazz's best wing (at that time) after they matched OKC's offer. Whoops.

However, I also called that Brewer was a dead-end player and that Matthews was better than him after Matthews' second or third game. I called the Memo extension terrible and potentially catastrophic at the outset (and it was). I was on an island about Al Jefferson being a total piece of garbage basketball player when the Jazz acquired him and I was right. I also said Koufos was going to stick around in the league (and that the Jazz did a poor job of developing him) and I am right.

I'm fine with my track record, but I just wanted to throw out my doozies to show... uhh... good faith or something.
 
fishonjazz said:
Maybe you are right that we are all clueless about basketball but you are extra clueless.
You watched that highlight vid from the game against Oklahoma state and said it was all dunks and putbacks... He didn't even have any putbacks at all. They you say his assist was actually an attempted shot that was an airball.... It was and obvious pass.
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Ok, I don't know what you call a put back, but to me any shot made immediately after an offensive rebound is a put back. And since I didn't see him hit shots from that range, I can only assume that it's an airball. Especially since he went through a full shooting motion.

No mention of the blocks shots which is what actually took up most of the highlight video.
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Because the rest of you are trying to argue that he's MORE than blocked shots. Good grief. Isn't that the whole point?
 
NUMBERICA said:
Everyone's wrong sometimes. You're wrong all the time. You come back despite continually embarrassing yourself. That you don't see the difference is itself yet another embarrassment.
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Its the draft retard...people are wrong all the time. Everyone as their own opinions.
 
NUMBERICA said:
For the record, I really liked Biyombo (and still kind of do). All people will see is that, even though all I said about Biyombo is that he'd be an extremely good defender and be able to dunk the ball. He's a good defender, he can dunk the ball. But yeah, I overshot how good he was (probably because DX did too, which has trained me to take more grains of salt with that site).

I also hated the Hayward pick, like most of the smarter Jazz fans. Additionally, most non-Jazz fans thought the pick was a reach and funny. It's worked out pretty well, because nobody knows the future. I also didn't think Millsap would ever be as good as he became (but have since repented), and thought CJ Miles would be the Jazz's best wing (at that time) after they matched OKC's offer. Whoops.

However, I also called that Brewer was a dead-end player and that Matthews was better than him after Matthews' second or third game. I called the Memo extension terrible and potentially catastrophic at the outset (and it was). I was on an island about Al Jefferson being a total piece of garbage basketball player when the Jazz acquired him and I was right. I also said Koufos was going to stick around in the league (and that the Jazz did a poor job of developing him) and I am right.

I'm fine with my track record, but I just wanted to throw out my doozies to show... uhh... good faith or something.
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you are so ****ing dumb
 
JimLes said:
Stupid justification? As opposed to intelligent ones you've offered?
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Please point out the justifications of mine that have exhibited a lack of intelligence-- and I would really appreciate if you could describe why you came to that conclusion.


Look, we're all clueless about basketball here. If we weren't, we'd work for a basketball organization. Pretending like because you watch college ball and read ESPN, you have some arcane knowledge that beantown or I don't is pretentious beyond belief.
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Lol, you're right. Deciding to not draft a player cuz he's from Africa, and comparing him to Tyson Chandler and Dwight Howard is completely on par with the posts I've made in this thread.



It's like people who've read 3 articles on economics on wikipedia and argue endlessly in the general forum about how everyone else is stupid and they know economy.
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It's like being vocal in a political debate (like say, for example, gun control)-- you're not a politician so you obviously don't know anything about politics and therefore all of our stances are equal in credibility and equal in intelligence.

To me, Embiid looks like an athletic, long big who can block shots and get some points around the basket. To you, he looks like a franchise cornerstone.
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To me, he has the highest potential to be a franchise cornerstone, for reasons I've mentioned. Your appraisal isnt that problematic for me-- but it leaves out his court vision, which is arguably the most tantalizing aspect of his repertoire as a player.

We can argue all day about this, but don't pull the "my understanding of basketball is better than yours" crap(obviously, this isn't aimed at just you). That's both pretentious and ignorant.
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Does this remind anyone else of the "fact-checkers" stories during the election? C'mon Jim. You're better than this.
 
On second thought, there definitely is a component of "my opinion is better than yours" on Jazzfanz, and Jim is right there. I've also noticed him being more militant against it, which goes to show why more and more people dislike his takes.


Personally, I try not to assert my opinion as correct-- but Jesus Christ dude, you're putting my posts on par with BeanTown's on this thread? Really?
 
JimLes said:
Ok, I don't know what you call a put back, but to me any shot made immediately after an offensive rebound is a put back. And since I didn't see him hit shots from that range, I can only assume that it's an airball. Especially since he went through a full shooting motion.
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The pass was obvious but since you never have watched him play then I guess I can understand that you don't really know anything about him, like the fact that he has a nice outside shot.

As for the putback comment, there was not a single offensive rebound in the video, so like I said no putbacks.
 
Like, I'm not all for the incessant tanking that many are. I agree with Burks being benched. I think Hayward is better than most others do. I don't mind Ty. My opinions definitely aren't always shared with the masses, and I don't care to make my opinion completely permeate, but I absolutely despise people writing off draft prospects with blanket-generalizations. Huge huge pet-peeve of mine-- and hence my tens of posts in this thread. It doesn't have to do with me placing my opinions over you (Jim) or Bean (although Bean consistently has some brutal takes). In fact, I often enjoy your takes Jim, as you should know. I just don't think you should bother being so anti-groupthink if you disagree with most. It's a waste of time.
 
JimLes said:
It's not about being African or not being African. I'm wary of anyone who started playing basketball 17.
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Duncan didn't start playing until he was in the 9th grade and Hakeem didn't start until he was 15. Embiid shows that he has a feel for the game, that's whats important
 
JimLes said:
Hakeem was one of the greatest NBA players of all time. All freaking time. Top 10 easily, and arguably top 5. His list of accomplishments is ridiculous. Here is a player who isn't even the number one option on his college team, but he's going to be like Hakeem.
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Hakeem was not as good as Embiid his freshman year in college. By your logic, Embiid is going to be Hakeem X 1.25.
 
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